G.W. Bush's Creationist beliefs

[david a]

Easy E,

Got me there...


Penguinman,

There is good reason to believe the Bible does mention dinosaurs. Job 40-42 seems to imply them living among men.

My view...

I think that in light of archaeology we are forced to believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth. There is certain fossil examples of that. The Bible also, which I find is extremely relevant today, backs up this claim also. I also believe there are probably certain dinosaurs living today.

[penguinman000]

Job could be talking about tons of things...what comes to mind are a hippopotumus and a crocodile...


Archeologically speaking these fossils are much older than human's.(read about carbon dating..) Could be argued either way. I just think that God is not obligated to explain everthing to us. If you can belive in an allmighty being then what is the problem beliving that he didn't explain everything to us in the bible?

[david a]

Hi Penguinman,

"Job could be talking about tons of things...what comes to mind are a hippopotumus and a crocodile... "
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The problem with that analogy is hippos do not have tails that resemble cedars, and crocodiles do not dwell in the sea and do not snort out sparks of fire and smoke...


"Archeologically speaking these fossils are much older than human's.(read about carbon dating..) Could be argued either way. I just think that God is not obligated to explain everthing to us. If you can belive in an allmighty being then what is the problem beliving that he didn't explain everything to us in the bible?"

I agree to a certain point. God doesn't have to reveil everything to us in the Bible or we would have quite a bit of reading to do!
More on Carbon dating later....

[Forum___Troll]

I don't think that either Evolution or Creationism should be taught in public schools.

[MrPoopy]

I also believe there are probably certain dinosaurs living today.

No doubt that there are dinos around today. Ken Shamrock is a great example. He got beat down by a more dominant species.


The decline of religion and morality seem to go hand in hand, no?

Would it really be so bad if a man lived his life by what the bible says? Even in the end if heaven didn't exist and it was just lights out for that man, would that still be so bad? What would that guy have to regret? Absolutely nothing. He lived a good life.

[JaredExtreme]

Evolution is very simple to understand.

Organism's traits come from DNA or RNA.

Sometimes mutations occur in DNA or RNA that result in variation of traits.

The individuals with the most adaptive traits reproduce most.

Over time, one species can split into two. This can happen in under a number circumstances. (i.e. a continent breaking in half and the species on each side becoming so genetically different that they can no longer interbreed.)

There is ample evidence to support evolution. Miyagi's Austrolopithcines example is very good, but my personal favorite is Archaeoptryx Lithographica. The fossil clearly shows a transitional species between dinosaurs and birds.

The kneejerk reaction I have encountered with creationists is: "You believe that humans came from monkeys !! Haha!".

At this point I usually just blow them off.

But let me say this. Even though I know evolution to be true, I personally don't give a damn how I got here. All I know is that I was born and that I'm going to die and that's the end.

[platinum_angel]

for those who have no religion-

tell me this if you think you are born and then die and that is the end. what do you have to live for?

its like entering a fight and knowing you can't win. i personally know without a doubt that i am a winner and not a loser.

[JaredExtreme]

Angel, I personally have no need for a mythical afterlife.

Just being alive makes me a winner.

I realize how fortunate I am to have my youth, good family, and freedom. I know one day all of this will be gone, and whether I believe in one god or 20, nothing changes the fact that I will die like every single person in history.

[MrPoopy]

Angel, exactly.

Hell has to exist. I mean.. damn... I've got a whole list of people that I'm expecting to go to hell.

There has to be someone that serves the final punishment when we're not able.

Scientists can prove evolution all they want. But they will never be able to explain why the universe exists. Sooner or later you have to take a step back and realize there's something bigger than you.

[platinum_angel]

now i'm here to argue with you man but what happens when you get old. if you have kids- then what happens when they go off on their own or worse yet one of them die who will you turn to. even worse what happens if one day your freedom gets taken away. you may be happy now but what about tommorrow.

now i have no problem with you having no religion. if that is what you believe well thats what you believe-it is so hard to change a mans mind. i am not trying to get you in with some religious group. me personally believe in god and thats it. i'm not baptist, catholic, budist, ect. i don't need to be because i know that i am with god.

trick daddy's thug holiday protrays that well.

[JaredExtreme]

Angel, I used to believe in the Christian god. Then I took a comparative religion class (in a Catholic high school nonetheless) and realized that my religion was one of thousands on earth.

It also dawned on me that religion is something that comforts people, specifically in the area of afterlife and the origin of man. Each religion has it's own story and different traits.

I am not anti-religion. If you're religious and it makes you happy that's cool.

However, I myself am comfortable living without any belief in gods or deities.

[MrPoopy]

I'm going to really be laughing my ass off when God stares down Jared and he starts making helpless attempts to save himself.

LOL!

BOOOYAH!!!! TAKE THAT JARED!!!

[JaredExtreme]

[eXcessiveForce]

okay, I wasn't going to reply to all this but you all have replied me into it.



First science is a philosophy. It explains what is observed through empirical evidence and inference from that evidence. Science has several rules or theories. Sceince has moved away from laws simply because they realize that it is impossible to prove anything to absolute certainty.

Evolution's plausibility was calculated by harvard business school, and it was found to be astronomically remote that life could develop on a planet.

Science also has a "law" of biogenisis which says life cannot come from non-life.

The third law of thermodynamics says that energy systems degrade from order to chaos and disorder. Not from chaos to order.

Science has never observed an organism change from one species to another.

Adaption exists and no intelligent person would deny that, however evolution and adaption are often used interchangeably and that is incorrect.

As for radioactive carbon dating, it is important to realize that this method is useless with out and index fossil. The whole process revolves around this fossil that tells the age range of the object. It is a very unreliable method of determining age.

Also every year the moon moves farther from the earth. If you run the clock backwards you would find that over millions of years the moon would be inside the earths atmosphere. Which would have destroyed it.

Creationist views state that there is a supremely powerful force. This force is all powerful and created the universe. Science does not disprove this theory.


Also many creationists believe that the universe was created with age. Therefore trying to determine the age of something that was created old would mean very little. For instance Adam was created as a man not a baby as were the plants and animals.

many people believe that evolution is a fact but it is not, it is a theory. Until we witness an organism change from one species to another it will remain a theory.

And why in hell would any self respecting martial artist waste their time worrying about proving a theory and not improving themselves by training.

There are many books regarding evolution versus creation. Nobody knows and no good scientist would say that evolution is anything but a theory.