Beat up a kid tonight

[darrianation]

Honestly if he looses his temper that easily then he probally looses it all the time, and the last thing you want to do is train a nutcase with fighting skills, because thats the last thing our society neads. Because the average kid is going to get mauled by him for no or little reason, and unlike you or me most kids wouldnt be able defend against him. While good fighters have the ability to destroy the average pearson, we dont nead good fighters with zero anger management skills.

Just my 2 cents, take it for what its worth.

I suppose you could look at it from the cynical aspect that if he were trained then he would feal even more empowered and be more of a nutcase, and will probally end up getting shot (before he has kids) and eliminating himself from the genepool. Although there are plenty of people who you think would have gotten killed, but have just been lucky.

Or with a little patience he gets himself turned around and learns to enjoy his martial arts experience. He really is a good kid. He has never has been in trouble with the law or his school.

He is learning there are consequences to his actions and if he did ever get in trouble for fighting (not in self-defense) he would be kicked out of the program. Kids need to make mistakes and learn from them and we adults need to stick by them and give them chances.

[darrianation]

Failing to get in trouble with the school or law, doesnt mean that he isnt a ticking time bomb.

But there's a difference between making a mistake and repeatedly behaving in a nutcase fassion. Either he has other things going on that are making him behave that way, or he is severely lacking in anger management skills. I do understand what you are saying, but there are people out there that cant be changed and are a certain way right down to the bone.

But mabey he can be turned around, and just behaves this way because his parrents never reigned him in.

Bro' I totally hear what your saying but he's only thirteen. I'm not giving up on him yet.

[darrianation]

Very true but there are people who are just plain mean to the bone, and were just genetically programed to be that way, and cant have that behavior gotten out of them. I would say that most are that way because of enviorment, but there are some whom are genetically programed to be that way.

I suppose that i was being too cynical, and that darrianation does have a chance, seeing what i used to be like.

What you said does remind me of myself when i was a little kid. I used to go around beating the crap out of people, just because i liked seeing them in pain. Once i slammed this kid on the pavement and wailed on him, bloodied his whole face because i thought that he wasnt being nice to me. That was when i was in second grade though, and since then i've gain significant control of my anger and i would say that i'm a nice guy. I have gotten in many fights since then, but tried to avoid them, unless the dude i was fighting seariously pissed me off.

BTW: Darrianation does this kid remind you alot of you?

BTW: Darrianation does this kid remind you alot of you?

You nailed it! I haven't thuoght of this but yes. He is a lot like me, Kind of picked on and wanting so badly to excel at something!

[Tom Yum]

Very true but there are people who are just plain mean to the bone, and were just genetically programed to be that way, and cant have that behavior gotten out of them. I would say that most are that way because of enviorment, but there are some whom are genetically programed to be that way.

That reminds me of this friend of mine from HS who was a quiet fellow. When we ended up at a party and alcohol was involved, he would literally transform like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde; I kid you not. He swung at the fences. I think his dad had an alcohol and abuse problem or something.

Anyhow, we ended up at this party with alcohol and women (I know, not cool when your 17). One of our mutual friends was going to go to the seminary to become a priest and saw us hanging out. He was half joking, but somewhat seriously told my drunk friend that he needed to stop drinking. Mr. Hyde's face came up and he yelled "Shut up!", got up and nailed my friend (the preacher) really hard on the forehead.

I got in between them and restrained my friend from doing any more hurt, but he had a good 60 lb weight advantage at the time so I was literally having to angle him around and away from bashing our friend.

[seany85]

"but isn't one of the goals of martial training to build character?"

I think it is, but like you say group dynamics.

[delbert]

I dont really consider it an absolute beating. Beating means you wanted to hurt him.
I had this guy come in to my gym that was talking about fighting mma. I tried to point him out to our mma fight trainer, but he said he could do it himself. I said he was making a mistake, but welcome anyway. He then proceeded to invite my student to spar. My student being humble as Ajarn Chai dictates to me and all my students, accepted and proceeded to defend heavily against someone who was obviously trying to hurt him(even though he could have turned it up which he didnt b/c i was watching). I watched for a round and then informed the guy that now it was time to spar me.
I knocked him down in 30 seconds, picked him up asked him if he was ok, gave him a standing 8 then knocked him down again finishing the round.
He didnt come back.
The whole moral is sometimes its a beating and sometimes you just want to teach someone that there are better tougher people out there and they can really learn from you and your group. Those guys come back. The guys who have too much to prove dont.
I have guys right now who are fighting and undefeated b/c they got beat down and realized humility(something I probably did not have enough of when younger either)
Dont sweat it. He will be your friend!

[thaibxr]

tough guys

we had a guy come into the gym once claiming all kinds of experience in different arts and the gloves were put on him and myself and he came out trying to take my head off with wild punches and kicks and I got a nod from my instructers and gave him a few good shots that caused some swelling but in no way did I feel bad.I think its better to learn a lesson in acontrolled envirement rather than on the street.

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[verc]

The best way to beat pride out of a guy:

first break him down into a mess, mentally or physically or whatever, and then give the world famous lecture:

"See, look how pathetic you are with snot dripping out of your nose and dirt all over your ugly face. The next time you think about giving anyone here attitude, just remember, we all saw you like this."

Has never failed for fraternity pledging

[Tom Yum]

Has never failed for fraternity pledging

Which frat are you a member of?

[verc]

Which frat are you a member of?

eh, a little known bunch of kids called Lambda Phi Epsilon.
Not sure why, but minority, especially black frats, get a lot more of the 'proud' and 'headstrong' type than the mainstream ones. I'm a pretty firm believer that breaking down one's pride, whatever the method, makes someone just a little bit better person. But the trick is not to overdo it and just meaninglessly humiliate a guy.

[Tom Yum]

lol.....you mean you don't each take turns with the paddle, then make em swim in a cold pool to be met by their sister sorority?

Now that's humble.

[verc]

lol.....you mean you don't each take turns with the paddle, then make em swim in a cold pool to be met by their sister sorority?

Now that's humble.

Hey man, it's whatever floats your boat
I'm not really crazy about all this stuff, but there are some craaaazy mofo's out there...

[avelocci]

I too have had experience with these "tough guys" as I was once one. 6 months after training in my TKD dojo we were doing light sparring and preparing for the full contact good stuff. At the time I felt like I was on top of the world, hitting kids so hard that when they were holding the pads for me the master had to step in. I even talked smack to my master saying "Once I get my sparring gear im coming for you first." Anyways a couple weeks later when we were sparring full contact I was pared up with a kid a couple years younger and even after my master said "take it easy or you'll be fighting me next" I was still going hard on the kid, using swift sidekicks to the ribs. Anyways it turned out my master was fed up and looking back on it now I must say, rightfully so. He told the kid to sit down and taught me the best lesson I'd even learn, that what goes around comes around. I opened with a right turning kick which was dodged and countered in fractions of a second. I realized if I were to make any match of it id have to keep him at a distance, as my master was smaller than me. It was no use, the guy was just so quick that whatever I did it always ended up with me getting a turning kick to the as*. It really smashed my spirits but it helped determine me to become better, and to respect others because as big as you may feel while beating up a guy younger than you, you're bound to feel really small after your master lands a few swift turning kicks to the ass.

Sincerly,
Andrew Velocci

[tekshow]

at my old school we would always take the "beat it out of them" approach. however that seemed to rarely work and most of us were in a similar situation and needed a beating myself. I had tremendous anger and "used" it a lot in sparring. what i didn't know was that anger limited my ability to function as a martial artist. it wasn't until i got deep into the training and philosophy that i study now that i was able to absolve the anger and let it go. Now i see that i need to be calm and collect in order to be effective; at our school if someone is like that we just constantly express that it isn't the way, and usually there are plenty of people who have the ability to keep it under control and not let the tough ones get out of hand. they usually get frustrated, but if they stick around for more than 6 months they usually start exerpeincing subtle attitude changes. my sifu teaches great by setting a moral example, and a lot of the people in the club follow that lead. you can't avoid it if you're there for long, most people pick up on it and change their ways too. if its a kid they are usually tougher because they don't see the external circumstances around them or know why they are angry. for them we just work one on one with student and parent and give them lots of things to work out the anger. meditative stances, thought provoking assignments, or just a stern but friendly talking to will do the trick.


just my .02$