Muay Thai vs Burmese boxing

[Nick]

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All right -- knees can only be grabbed if it's not a full force knee (or they're weak to begin with). Also, you can knee people in the groin and thighs too, at a much lower risk. As for "dirty" boxing -- that isn't really a style. It's merely street fighting, which just about everybnody on the planet does. Muay Thai has turned knees, headbutts and elbows in an art and a science. As for more effective weapons: Muay Thai has pretty much all the punches boxing has, all effective moves. Then they have elbows and heabutts, as well as low kicks, knees, and clinching, which is very important, because you can't punch as effectively, there.

As for Sherwinc, I don't know what else to say: I've already explained to you that parrying, pivoting and all around evasion is utilized in Muay Thai on a regular basis. If it's not used, it's because the fighters are equally matched and have a hard time predicting each others' movements in order to use the better defenses.

As for trading blows: most TM have this problem, actually, not boxing. Before I took Muay Thai, I always faced the delema of trying to punch someone who was equal speed. Then I learned about covering myself with my shoulder and keeping my other hand up. Suddenly, trading blows wasn't as much of a problem because my punch was in front of everything I didn't want hit as well as my shoulder and other hand. And if I did get hit, it was ususally in the forehead.

Er... forearm mechanics?

I don't know how to make it any clearer, Sherwinc.

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[sherwinc]

you know absolutely nothing about boxing do you.....

1) boxers get broken noses and busted lips cuz cuz they fight other boxers with good offensive skills. and when you're fighting someone for 12 rounds of course you're gonna get a little marred up in the face. boxers do not use their face to block punches but a skilled boxer is gonna be able to hit someone in the face a good number of times. kung fu guys look pretty cuz they don't really fight.

2) as for who will fatigue first..... probably the kung fu guy. outside of MMA noone in martial arts (especially not classical stylists) train the way boxers & thai boxers do. these guys train for 12 round (36 minute) fights. how many kung fu guys can go at the pace of a boxer or thai boxer for 36 minutes??? probably very very few if any at all. not that it would matter most decent boxers will KO the average kung fu guy in the first couple mins.

3) since you feel the need to bring up the animal thing......
lions & tigers:
simply overpower their prey. big deal they generally fight and kill things with hoofs who run away from them.
snakes: maybe they don't but the mongoose does alot of moving around when fighting snakes.... tell me who usually wins in that confrontation.
cats: lions & tigers are cats who moron!!

then why is it that the SUN is much really stronger compare to WIND????

the story of the SUN versus the WIND:

their objective is to remove the jacket wearing by an old man

the WIND blew hard and harder, but the harder the WIND blew the man hold tightly his jacket.....

and the SUN'S turn, the SUN shine brightly, very brightly.... until the old man felt extremely warm and slowly he remove his jacket......


KungFu will defeat Boxing
while Boxing will defeat Karate and Tae Kwon Do

[sherwinc]

As for Sherwinc, I don't know what else to say: I've already explained to you that parrying, pivoting and all around evasion is utilized in Muay Thai on a regular basis. If it's not used, it's because the fighters are equally matched and have a hard time predicting each others' movements in order to use the better defenses.

As for trading blows: most TM have this problem, actually, not boxing. Before I took Muay Thai, I always faced the delema of trying to punch someone who was equal speed. Then I learned about covering myself with my shoulder and keeping my other hand up. Suddenly, trading blows wasn't as much of a problem because my punch was in front of everything I didn't want hit as well as my shoulder and other hand. And if I did get hit, it was ususally in the forehead.

The TM that you mean is only Karate and Tae Kwon Do, try to look them when they spar, they also did not emphasize forearm smashing against opponents forearm..... while their Kata's or Pomsee's have an enormous amount of blockings while when sparring they did not emphasize blocking.....

while in KungFu, it is really pain in the forearm cause lots and lots of forearm smashing against opponents forearm in order not to hit by opponent..... then if who's forearm is first really in pain and cannot move - then he is in trouble, he could no longer block the punch of the opponent even if he wishes cause due to pain in the forearm....... THE PURPOSE OF WOODEN DUMMY and PLUM FLOWER POSTS......



as i always say, Boxing will always defeat Karate and Boxing will surely defeat Tae Kwon Do.......

[amadeus]

then why is it that the SUN is much really stronger compare to WIND????

the story of the SUN versus the WIND:

their objective is to remove the jacket wearing by an old man

the WIND blew hard and harder, but the harder the WIND blew the man hold tightly his jacket.....

and the SUN'S turn, the SUN shine brightly, very brightly.... until the old man felt extremely warm and slowly he remove his jacket......


KungFu will defeat Boxing
while Boxing will defeat Karate and Tae Kwon Do

WTF are you talking about!?

[Nick]

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I don't see why I would have to bother smashing forearms to begin with, when I could just evade/parry and punch you in the face.

Second, how in the hell does the Sun/Wind story relate to Muay Thai/Boxing vs. Kung-Fu??

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[shadowkiller]

It doesnt... He is just a moron who tries to act like he is smart. He isn't we have already proved this over and over. But he hasn't got the picture, its best to ignore him...

[sherwinc]

I don't see why I would have to bother smashing forearms to begin with, when I could just evade/parry and punch you in the face.

The purpose of smashing forearms is to destroy the opponents soft vital area on their forearm before the kungfu can land their enormous amount of fist unto opponents head and body - FREELY........

Note:
in order to go outside the house, you must first turn the doorknob to open the door so you can get out freely.....

meaning.....

destroy first his forearms - so that, kungfu can freely attack the opponents body and head......

Second, how in the hell does the Sun/Wind story relate to Muay Thai/Boxing vs. Kung-Fu??

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if you can't get what it means...... then how can you defend the deadly advanced attacking combinations of kungfu in a fight???????

if i tell you something like this:
He who comes - MEET
He who withdraws - FOLLOW
Loosing of a hand contact - RUSH-IN

maybe, you still dont know what it means?????????

[Nick]

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I fail to see how giving your opponent sore forearms would make them easier to hit. Not only could they still kick (or even punch or anything else, for that matter) but while your concentrating on the person's forearms, they'll be punching you in the face.

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[sherwinc]

I fail to see how giving your opponent sore forearms would make them easier to hit. Not only could they still kick (or even punch or anything else, for that matter) but while your concentrating on the person's forearms, they'll be punching you in the face.

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1. 1st Reason:
its a Walking Hand Theory of ChiDianBun KungFu......

that..... before you can go outside your house, you must first unlock your doorknob and open your door..... door is like the forearm of the fighter.... cause its very hard to hit the fighter if he has two forearms.....

2. 2nd Reason:
While you block opponents forearm, (since the fist of KungFu doesn't go back to the waist) the distance of the KungFu fist to the opponents body is extremely near..... so, the KungFu have a better clear shorter way for his fist to hit the opponents body......

3. 3rd Reason:
The KungFu fighter who have a better technique than his kungfu opponent..... His KungFu opponent's forearm can't catch-up to where your fist intentions..... The only objective is to by-pass your fist unto your opponents defensive forearm centerline.....
Cause its really hard to land your fist unto your opponent's body if your opponents forearm is capable of blocking...... especially if your opponent knows and mastered plenty of hand techniques.....

Note:
even thou how advance moves i did in order to hit my instructor - but i could not hit him even just once..... all of my advanced non-telegraphic hand combinations is all intercepted......
no matter how hard i try and speed i did, still i just cant touch my fist unto his body......
my instructor attack me 4 rapid hand attacking combinations - i did intercept his 3 rapid hand attacks but the 4th fist landed unto my chest.... there's a rapid 3 follow-up fist after he hit me - then i plan to intercept it but i cant cause i did not yet recover my stance.......

my instructor doesnt allow to permit me to recover my stance, in a half-second interval he use it as an advantages to make a rapid follow-up hitting me......

then you will truely found out that when you hit buy your opponents fist, you recover your stance in a 1 to 2 seconds delay....... that 1 to 2 seconds delay is your advantage to spend it follow-up rapid attacks

do you want to know why?????

cause our body is composed of 75 to 80% is WATER!!!!!!!

4. 4th Reason:
KungFu blocking is not just as block like those of Karate and Tae Kwon Do.....
KungFu block is to block ex:

a. Using WingChun's Tan Sau to hit the opponents soft area on its forearm muscles....... if you hit that very very hard, his forearm will temporary paralyze making him one forearm versus two forearms like you.....

b. Using NgoChoKun's Arm Breaking technique to break the opponents straight lungpunch forearm.......

c. A simultaenous palm blocking of left hand to block the opponents low punch while simultaenously executing right uppercut to opponents solar plexus..... it is called Pian of ChiDianBun's 2nd hand attack level 2

d. Using TaiChi's neutralizing two hand to neutralized opponents lung punch because the TaiChi DOESN'T WANT TO FIGHT, that why some times he pushes you ------- no, he pushes you to the sharp corner wall behind your back.......
Then you died because you hit your back and back of your head to that sharp wall, leaving the TaiChi Fighter clean to the public.... no evidence of bruises, marks, etc... on the opponents body, he just smash his back and his head to the sharp cornered wall.....

[amadeus]

theories are great..... but i think i'll stick to boxing, muay thai, and MMA where you learn from practical application instead of half-assed point sparring.

[Nick]

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Okay, Sherwinc, I see what you mean but the thing is:

if you try to attack their arm, it's not going to stun them and they're going to punch you. When you attack their arm it leaves you open, because as much as it may hurt (if you manage to hit their forearm), it will not stun them and they will be able to counter.

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[shadowkiller]

Okay, Sherwinc, I see what you mean but the thing is:

if you try to attack their arm, it's not going to stun them and they're going to punch you. When you attack their arm it leaves you open, because as much as it may hurt (if you manage to hit their forearm), it will not stun them and they will be able to counter.

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Not to mention if the guy uses the extra momentum of you hitting his forearm. So he would be using your strength and his...

[sherwinc]

Okay, Sherwinc, I see what you mean but the thing is:

if you try to attack their arm, it's not going to stun them and they're going to punch you. When you attack their arm it leaves you open, because as much as it may hurt (if you manage to hit their forearm), it will not stun them and they will be able to counter.

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a very very very goood question.......

example:

attacking opponents right arm using my left GumSao, then the distance of my left fist unto the opponents face is 14inches..... a very short distance for my left fist reserved for future use.....

but the opponent going to punch me immediately using his left fist after i hit him in his arm?????

then i will defend it using my right TanSau to deflect his left fist ..... while my reserved left GumSao that rests unto opponents right arm - i simultaenously attack opponents head forefully....... (since the distance of my fist unto opponents head is on 14 inches)

Note:
a simultaenous right tansau with a left sunfist plus rapid follow-up before the opponents re-gain its balance when hitted...... never stop rapid follow-ups until the opponent falls......

note:
you should not be afraid to block, deflect, etc.... opponents attacking fist/kicks..... and be sure that even when you block - you really hurt his attacking arm or feet.......

Note:
the purpose of blocking the opponents attacking forearm and feet in a ChiDianBun KungFu is a WalkingHand Theory..... the defenders fists is getting nearer to the opponents body.... the fists never withdraws instead it getting nearer until its imposible for the opponent to block the fist cause it already cross the centerline theory....... then you may hear the bombing sounds of PAK PA-PAK, PAK PAK PAK, PA-PAK, PAK PAK PAK PAK PAK!!!!!!!!!!
and you may hear the murmuring sounds of OH OUCH OUCH OUCH, NO NO OUCH OUCH OUCH, NO OH OUCH OUCH, OUCH AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nick]

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If your fist is just resting there, it's not going to have much power... not to mention that blocking a punch from that close, and one that uses hip and shoulder motions, not just an arm punch, is extremely difficult.

I see where you're coming from now, but the trapping stuff just isn't as effective as western boxing is.

We do what you're talking about in my Goju class and it just isn't worth it.

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[sherwinc]

If your fist is just resting there, it's not going to have much power...

Reasons:
1. You dont need power to destroy opponent's Adams Apples, both Eyes, WindPipe, Groin, CollarBone, leftside of SolarPlexus, below ears, sealing-the-vein, sealing-the-air, etc......

2. The shortest distance between point A to point B is a simple straight line

3. Attacking successful 10 KungFu strikes of 10 kilos of power each (equals 100 kilos) is brutal compare to attacking only once with 60 kilos of Boxing power ......... this is what i mean that KungFu is much powerful/stronger compare to Boxing punches.......
Note:
if kungfu hit you first, kungfu will hit you all the time cause kungfu will not permit you to recover your stance even in an half second interval...... why???? cause your body is compose of 80% WATER!!!!!!!

here's another example:
which is better? your body collided with a passengervessel/ship(boxing) or an 747airplane(kungfu)??????
(assuming the distance between point A[you] to point B[ship/airplane] is 4 nautical miles)

the result is: you will both die either, but the vessel/ship[boxing] will hit you just once; while airplane[kungfu] will hit you 60times......... and airplane[kungfu] will hit you first...... and airplane[kungfu] is lighter in weight compare to ship/vessel[boxing] but when collided to your body you will vanished to this earth before you fracture your bones HAW HAW HAW HAW

this is what i mean of THE RATIO OF HIT IS 2:22 meaning, boxing will hit his opponent 2times; while KungFu will hit his opponent 22times........ assuming that the boxer and the kungfu fighter - both of them have an equal punching power....... KungFu will win........


4. Since my hand meets your hand, your hand is already my hand, with what-you-see-is-not (illusion techniques of ChiDianBun) it can freely hit the boxers head and body even boxers forearm is not destroy yet.....

not to mention that blocking a punch from that close, and one that uses hip and shoulder motions, not just an arm punch, is extremely difficult.

Its a KungFu specialty moves/techniques, advantages, so theres no problem......


Note:
in order for you to understand what i mean, learn TaiChi's PushingHands, learn WingChun's StickingHands, learn ChiDianBun's WalkingHands, learn ChoyLiFut's ReturningHands, learn NgoChoKun's NgoKiArmHitting, learn AngKa's IronSkin.......... then you will truely understand and open your eyes to the truth..........