Muay Thai vs Burmese boxing

[Nick]

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A boxing stance has a rather wide base, so there's no need to regain balance unless hit very hard (and if arm punching is so effective, why would I need to regain balance, anyway?). Second, boxing practices combos. Third, those points you mentioned are weak, yes, but stronger than most people give them credit for.

Later...

[amadeus]

in order for you to understand what i mean, learn TaiChi's PushingHands, learn WingChun's StickingHands, learn ChiDianBun's WalkingHands, learn ChoyLiFut's ReturningHands, learn NgoChoKun's NgoKiArmHitting, learn AngKa's IronSkin.......... then you will truely understand and open your eyes to the truth..........

go out and spar with either a decent boxer or a thai boxer and open your eyes to the truth. you'll find that theoretical fighting doesn't stand up well in practical application.

[sherwinc]

A boxing stance has a rather wide base, so there's no need to regain balance unless hit very hard (and if arm punching is so effective, why would I need to regain balance, anyway?). Second, boxing practices combos. Third, those points you mentioned are weak, yes, but stronger than most people give them credit for.

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maybe your body is not compose of 80% - Water......

you think your body is composed of Rubber Dust found inside the punching bag?????

no need to regain balance......

haw haw haw haw

[sherwinc]

go out and spar with either a decent boxer or a thai boxer and open your eyes to the truth. you'll find that theoretical fighting doesn't stand up well in practical application.

sparring with a boxer???? i already did many times.....

sparring with a Thai Boxer????? no, i dont have any experience......

Note:
One of the best sparring place for a Boxer versus KungFu is on top of the dining table...... 1meter by 4meters size of dining table.....

for me, it is one of the perfect sparring place.....

Rules:
he who falls down - instant defeat....... no referee breaks, no rounds...... no body protectors......

[amadeus]

Note:
One of the best sparring place for a Boxer versus KungFu is on top of the dining table...... 1meter by 4meters size of dining table.....

for me, it is one of the perfect sparring place.....

Rules:
he who falls down - instant defeat....... no referee breaks, no rounds...... no body protectors......

WTF!? on a table!? ok.........

1) this is just stupid!

2) on a table top a boxer has no room to move, so it's unfair advantage to you (in theory cuz i think yer lying). remember boxers are taught to "stick & move.

[DrAgOn-T]

I've heard about that iron vest technique, I would love for someone to tell me that I can beat the hell out of their body and they won't be hurt, because I haved absolutely no qualms about beating their kidneys so damn badly they will piss blood for a month. would someone please tell me what the hell trapping hands is? I'm am thouroghly umimpressed with any style that has to make up for it's uneffectivess with names that sound cool. By the way, if Wing chun is so bad why is it that I saw a supposed wing chun master get the shit knocked out of him by Duane Ludwig in KOTC?

[sherwinc]

WTF!? on a table!? ok.........

1) this is just stupid!

2) on a table top a boxer has no room to move, so it's unfair advantage to you (in theory cuz i think yer lying). remember boxers are taught to "stick & move.

have you ever heard Shaolins do sparring on top of the Plum Flower Posts????? maybe that is one of the reasons why some Shaolin Style doesnt have any Grappling Arts....

you could not do grappling on top of Plum Flower Posts.......


Why?????

because in an actual fight, there you could see walls, jeepneys passes bye, obstacles on the ground, not to mention the available substitution weapons that you can get within you reach....

now, if you engage to fight and the fighting place is not your territory then you are in jeopardy......

example:
if Boxing versus KungFu and their fighting place is on the beach where the level of water is in-lined on both fighters knees..... normally, i think the Boxer would win and that Boxer would defeat the KungFu cause it is not the kungfu's fighting place....... he who is tough will mostly wins...... since Boxing can really accept blows landed on their body and head....... mobility for kungfu in the water is unfair.......

[amadeus]

again WTF are you talking about!?

1) we're not talking about grappling we're talking striking.

2) boxers are limited in their mobility in the water too. so the fight would be alot more even in your water theory bullshit than on a table top. .....and you admit a boxer would win here, hmm.....

3) do you write this stupid confusing crap so people will quit arguing their points and you can claim victory and go running down the street shouting "kung fu is the best!"??

[Boxiados]

Know everything then use what works

1) yes i know all about muay thai..... i didn't think i needed to clarify all the weapons that muay thai has to offer. sorry next time i be very specific.
my point was simply that punches are the safer strike to use in the street. therefore a safer (and better) option in the street.

the more you know the better in the street, kicks, punches, knees, elbows, head, take downs, grappling. After you throw some kicks and punches if you come too close the best weapons become also your elbows and knees.

[Boxiados]

Sanda vs Thaiboxing

Maybe it is in the ring, although it is now challenged by Chinese Sanshou/Sanda. In my view, the structure of Chinese Sanshou is better. However, Muaythai is definitely not the best choice on the street.

I am so sorry, but Sanda is a joke, in the MA school where I used to teach kickboxing and Muay Thai we have been cahllanged by the class of Sanda, the five best of us against the five best of theirs, sorry to say that we beat the shit out of them, not even one of them including the big master and two instructors could handle the fights against the Thai boxers, they don't bother to defend against the low kicks, they don't handle when it comes to boxing and ones you clinch them they feel lost, their position standing sideways make them so vulnerable to low kicks, middle kicks and hooks.
In years of competitions of interstyle in martial arts (of standing fights) most were won by Thai Boxers.

[Nick]

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What does the body's water percentage have to do with balance??

The boxing stance is a stable one, so those weak arm punches wouldn't be enough to knock them off balance, or to keep them from punching your block off.

Later...

[Boxiados]

Fighting is no science fiction!

go out and spar with either a decent boxer or a thai boxer and open your eyes to the truth. you'll find that theoretical fighting doesn't stand up well in practical application.

Saint words! I totally agree with you, all the science fiction in the world would not work in a real fight, the only answer is practice and experiments, you go out there and try all the theories until you find what really works then stick to it. In my experience of nearly twenty years of Martial Arts and combat sports I have seen what really works and what does not, I can confirm that, in all the interstyle championship fights(take downs were alloudbut not garppling) where anyone from any discipline could participate, most finals were to be disputed by Thai boxers and kick boxers, whenever a kung Fu or A Karate guy made it to the final against the Thai Boxers, there was absolutely no way out for MA guys, either it was a knock out or abbandon by the MA guy. This is due also to the way kick boxers/Thai Boxers train, every session of a Kick/Thaiboxing class includes sparring some times quiet haevy, it's important to practice real fighting all the time, fighting becomes instinctive and attacks/blocks/counters become more automatic.
There is also the fact that they get used to pain and getting hit even hard some time does not stop them from countring instictivly but with the right timing and using the right technique. Lastly the most resistant parts to pain are, funny enough, forearms and shins and this is what sometimes make a huge diffrence between Kick/thai boxers and Martial artists, in the classes we practice kicking as hard as possible one another in succession and basically most are blocked with both forearms, this developes forearms that are very resistant to pain just like the shins, so you are welcome to hit a Thai boxer's forearms with your Kung Fu you would be just tickling him. On the other hand in many finals between Thai b. and Kung Fu just the resistance of the shins to pain by the Thai made the diffrence as you could see how the Kung fu dude was so afraid to get a shin to shin impact.
I have seen most martial artists I met in my career no matter how they used to be convinced about MA have switched to combat sports like kick/Thai b. including myself, at the end it's just practicle and simple, what you train in the gym is what you have to use in a real fight in the ring, there is no wasting time in doing useless forms or developping science fiction philosophies that never work.

[Nick]

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Amen.

Later...

[DrAgOn-T]

beautifully written boxiados, I would love to find a MT instructor to compliment my western boxing, sadly there aren't many in Alaska, only one that I know of, but me and him don't get along very well. If I could find a great wrestling coach, and a great MT instructor, to compliment my boxing and BJJ, I would be the complete package of assbeating.

[sanshou2]

I am so sorry, but Sanda is a joke, in the MA school where I used to teach kickboxing and Muay Thai we have been cahllanged by the class of Sanda, the five best of us against the five best of theirs, sorry to say that we beat the shit out of them, not even one of them including the big master and two instructors could handle the fights against the Thai boxers, they don't bother to defend against the low kicks, they don't handle when it comes to boxing and ones you clinch them they feel lost, their position standing sideways make them so vulnerable to low kicks, middle kicks and hooks.
In years of competitions of interstyle in martial arts (of standing fights) most were won by Thai Boxers.

Just because you fought some crappy sanda guys doesnt mean all sanda sucks.