Kickboxers fights off 5 drunks

[Harry]

Harry, i dont mean to be offensive to you, i am sorry if that is how i came across.
No i am not any wing, in fact i am categorically apolitical. i just feel strongly about certain types of crime, I would agree with where you are coming from with a wide variety of other crimes but not
1)Rape
2)anything to do with hurting kids

the above type of crimes to my mind do justify murder as an efficient and non costly method of ridding society of such offenders, you see, they are particularly creepy types of crime and sending them to jail only costs more.
regards

I'm more in favour of a rehabilitation system than todays current punishment system, I'd rather find out why people abuse children (something that gets to me more than anything) and try to rape others, the current system, just locks people up and does little but destroy any chance they have of becoming a normal citizen upon release, and if after 6 years in prison, they come out divorced, jobless, no home e.t.c., they are just going to turn to crime again.

I tend to disagree with killing anyone except in situations where someone has to die for something to be resolved, (i.e. Soldiers in WW1 had to kill or be killed, they couldn't just make their opponents tap out e.t.c.)

A problem I would see with your idea, (apart from my own personal moral disagreements) would be, how could you regulate it?
If people could kill rapists "in the act", how could we prevent cunning individuals setting up rape to kill someone they did not like (crimes of passion, Im not suggesting, "Hey its that guy who stole my pen at school", more "Its that bastard who slept with my wife")

They could easily get a good actress, or actor, to stage being raped by this individual, they could then kill this person.

It would be near impossible to regulate such a system, and as a result this could cause a "if she floats she be a witch" mindset, in which we would kill people without looking into the situation.

How easy was it to get a "witch" killed?
"My crops failed this year, and I heard Mrs.Ashcroft mumble something the previous harvest when my son fell into her garden"

This system would be impossible to regulate, unless it turned into a legal proceeding involving the death penalty, which would be a completely different matter.

Don't worry, you didn't come across as offensive, I just thought that you were right wing, and its usually very rare in such cases to be able to change somones opinion on crime, as usually it is an opinion you grow up with.

[Tom Yum]

I'm more in favour of a rehabilitation system than todays current punishment system, I'd rather find out why people abuse children (something that gets to me more than anything) and try to rape others, the current system, just locks people up and does little but destroy any chance they have of becoming a normal citizen upon release, and if after 6 years in prison, they come out divorced, jobless, no home e.t.c., they are just going to turn to crime again.

I tend to disagree with killing anyone except in situations where someone has to die for something to be resolved, (i.e. Soldiers in WW1 had to kill or be killed, they couldn't just make their opponents tap out e.t.c.)

Rehabilitation?

Good luck, mate.

[HtTKar]

and its usually very rare in such cases to be able to change somones opinion on crime, as usually it is an opinion you grow up with

Same goes for rehabilitation. These people were adults (or at least teen-agers) and they haven't figured out that rape is unethical to say the least. They had to be attacked to understand. Some people only know and react to violence.

Sitting these people down with a shrink for 6 months will not change their minds on crime. You are unable to change HuSanYan's mind about how to deal with rapists. What makes you so sure that some rapist with "mental disorders" could be changed so easily.

You know why Rapists and child abusers so often get killed in prison? Karma.

[kengar]

People who commit rape often have mental disorders, they do not need their ribs being smashed into their lungs, killing someone solves nothing, they will have learnt from the encounter.......

That law is designed to prevent you from slitting the throat or a rapist, yes rape is a horrible thing to do, and I've been the victim of attempted rape, but at the same point, you do not have the right, nor should you, to end somones life unless it truly is a matter of "kill or be killed"

I can only pray that no women, any where ever hear your words and think that they should allow themselves to be brutally raped instead of using extreme force.

Far left you are; don't believe women should use extreme force to defend themself, sympathetic to criminals much more than their victims. Somethings wrong with your belief system.

[Harry]

I can only pray that no women, any where ever hear your words and think that they should allow themselves to be brutally raped instead of using extreme force.

Far left you are; don't believe women should use extreme force to defend themself, sympathetic to criminals much more than their victims. Somethings wrong with your belief system.

I was talking about the kickboxers, the victim can do what she wants to defend herself, but the kickboxers should not be making someone bite the curb as they are not acting in self defence, and 5 on 1 is not a situation that usually requires deadly force.

However, it is interesting to note that you used the word "women" rather than victims, men are raped also, and more often than the media would suggest.

[kengar]

Actually a person coming to the aid of another who is in grave danger has the same right to defend that person as they would themself. Giving someone a curb job isn't self defense.

I used the word women, because we are talking about a woman on this thread. If we talked about violence and rape in general then I may or may not open it up. We'll agree about the media on this.

[Yinboxer]

That law is designed to prevent you from slitting the throat or a rapist, yes rape is a horrible thing to do, and I've been the victim of attempted rape, but at the same point, you do not have the right, nor should you, to end somones life unless it truly is a matter of "kill or be killed"

Woah! What planet are you from? In case you didn't know, often times a rapist is just waiting for the moment of orgasm to slit his victim's throat! Is the victim just supposed to wait and see? As far as I am concerned, rape is like pointing a gun at someone. Even if it turns out to be unloaded, lethal force is justified. How do you know your "poor, mentally ill" rapist doesn't have HIV, Hepatitis, or some other potentially fatal disease? Many crimes are committed by mentally ill people who may benefit from rehabilitation. Should the rest of society just sit back and feel sorry for them without taking any measures to protect themselves? What a load of crap. I doubt that kickboxing would be sufficient for a lone 95 lb woman. Perhaps kickboxing and fighing fair is good for a group brawl between men, but what about a lone 95 lb woman against a much bigger guy, or better yet, a group of guys? By the way, have you seen the statistics on the success rate of rehabilitation of rapists and child molesters? I don't remember specfics, but it is not good. Keep on living in that fantasy world, buddy.

As for those crazy people who lie and say that someone raped them when it never happened, how does the law prevent this now? This kind of crap happens all the time, and I think it is absolutely deplorable. These people should be the ones who end up in jail. On the other hand, there will probably be a little more investigation if there is a dead body to investigate. Or perhaps we should not classify rape as a crime at all, since often times it can't be proven because the victim didn't have a "rape kit" handy for gathering evidence! "She says it happened, but why should we believe her? She's probably lying, so lets just forget it." This is not a perfect world and pretending that rehabilitation is the proper answer is just plain ignorance. I'm sure that the victims of rape will tell you that they don't care if their attacker has been rehabilitated--It's too late for them.

[Tom Yum]

I think the best defense option for a 95 lb woman is the same as a 200 lb man: avoiding bad situations and unsafe places.

Next to that, I would say that women should learn systems like the shredder or bladed systems.

One problem is that this is a tough sell for women who do not want to inflict harm on the attacker.

[Yinboxer]

One problem is that this is a tough sell for women who do not want to inflict harm on the attacker.

Then she should hire a bodyguard to follow her around, if that is her mentality, because she has no hope of defending herself.

[koto_ryu]

Or hang out with Mike Vallely. He can take four on one no problem

http://www.punchbaby.com/media/gitfakt/clips/ouch/Fights.mpg

Just goes to show you it doesn't matter what belt you are or how many techniques you know: if you don't have the killer instinct, you're going to get your ass kicked. Two of the four guys he fought were trained martial artists as well, one in kung fu and one in TKD. Guess they'd better start doing a little reality training

[Tom Yum]

Yeah, it looks like he took them all by suprise, most of the dudes were just chillin. It'd been different if they took him.

[Wayfinder]

Kudos to the kickboxers. I hope they don't get into any legal trouble geting those poor women out of trouble. Its great that they are not afraid to put their skills to use to do good.

I have to agree with HuSanYan about rapists and pedophiles. They commit some of the most dispicable crimes. And should be punished by death. Its so easy to speak in a left-wing way and say they don't deserve death. But, if it happened to someone you care about (your wife, girlfriend, child), would you feel the same? I personally would hunt the sob/s down and bring about justice, or my soul would never rest.