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  • How To Work The Corner

    First of all, I would like to say that none of this originated with me. I have discussed and questioned all of my teachers, training partners and friends over the years, and this is how I have organized the 'ideal' cornering method in my head. I hope this can help people, and also I hope this will stimulate discussion which will benefit all of us, trainers, fighters and fans. I base this scenario upon the 3 minute fight/2 minute rest per round. I will also preface it by saying conditioning for a fighter should have him recovering his standing heart rate in 40-50 seconds. You will see why shortly. The 'ideal' corner team should have 6 people, and all must be trained in their role. Here we go:

    Bell Rings For End Of Round. 2 Minutes
    The fighter turns toward his corner, where he sees his 'inside' men. This can be a cut man and massage man, a water man. Usually 2 people who tend to his immediate needs. Whatever you use in your camp. None of the 'inside' men discusses the fight with the fighter. This usually takes about 15 seconds of the rest period. He sits and begins to catch his breath.

    Meanwhile, the manager, who has been watching his fighter during the round to see any bad habits developing, either talks with or gets notes from his 3 'ringside' men. These 'ringsiders' have been placed on the other sides of the ring from the manager, and have been watching the opponent for any bad habits. Bad habits are things like dropping a hand before he throws it, shrugging a shoulder before he kicks on that side, punching and then dropping his hand, leaving his head open when he kicks/punches. Anything he consistently does which gives away a move, or shows an opening is a bad habit. The manager collates results, and if he is good can prioritize opponents' weakness versus his own fighters' strengths. This takes a lot of experience, but can be learned. Note the manager has not gotten into the ring. He has assistants to tend his fighters' recovery needs. His job is to get ready for the next round.

    One Minute Left Of Break
    By this time the fighter should have recovered his breath, gotten treatment and water, be ready to listen and, more importantly, to understand.

    The manager leans through the ropes and taps his fighter on the thigh to get his attention. Most men do not like other men touching their thigh, and will notice, thus giving his attention to his manager. Women, incidentally, don't like this either. The manager proceeds to tell the fighter what he wants him to do, concentrating on attacking the vulnerabilities he and his 'ringsiders' have noticed about the opponent. If he has to, the manager can use his fingers like a 'mini-fighter', demonstrating with his hand the attacks he wants. At no time should he use large gestures to show the fighter what he wants, meaning do not get into the ring and jab, cross, knee, kick, etc. Do not show the opponent what he is going to have to defend. If possible, the manager can watch his opposite number to see what he is going to have to defend against, providing that manager is the type who DOES get into the ring to show his fighter what he wants.

    Fifteen Seconds Left
    As the 'sidemen' are called out of the ring, the manager tells his fighter what he does not want him to do. Hopefully this will allow your fighter to get back into the fight and not get capitalized upon in the first few seconds. Do not dwell on his negatives, you only have a few seconds anyway. You want your fighter to go out and use his positives against the opponent's negatives.

    Note you spent 3 times as much time telling the fighter what you want him to do versus what you do not want him to do. Positive reinforcement works better than negative. You want your fighter to act, not react.

    Bell Rings. End of Rest

    Repeat until victory.

    Critique as you will. We have a lot of experience to draw from on this site. This thread should have gotten started years ago.

  • #2
    Thanks Chalambok,

    I have read your post a few times through. Having only ever experienced this in fights giving 1 min rests I had never given much thought to how much more can be done with the extra min in the Thai Style rest periods. Though I have always wished for more time It surprises me when I think about it.

    I really like the idea of the ringsiders. We have done similar in an ad hoc manner in the past. Where we had people in the crowd giving us some signals etc about what either fighter is doing. Most of the orgs we fight in only allow 2 people in the actual corner so these audience members were helpful. One guy watches our audience ringers and relays stuff to the head corner guy who is watching the fighter.

    With only two people and one minute to work it can be a challenge to allow the fighter rest (granted the fight period is a min shorter)and give them advice at the same time. When the bell rings with a minute rest and the fighter comes back, usually we get one guy inside with the water, bucket, cut control stuff in case it is needed. The other person gets onto the apron to provide advice.

    With a minute to work any cutwork or addressing of swelling has to start right away. Thankfully in the amateur bouts I have been in and worked corner for this hasn't been a big issue. The first person in says little other than some positive "you're fine" kind of stuff. Instructs the fighter to take some deep breaths etc. The fighter relaxes. The inside person also relays some info on the fighters condition, the look in their eyes, the breathing rate etc to the headcornerman on the apron. This is accomplished with slight nods etc nothing to discourage the fighter.

    Depending on what the head cornerman has seen in the fight and received from the ringsiders(I am stealing your term) he begins his spiel 15 or 30 seconds into the break. The conversation goes much like you descibe, we have occassionally come up with code words for certain combinations that we can say in the corner, or during the round, these have been drilled leading up to the fight and aren't really used again. Women's names, beer brands, tv shows all have been used as keywords. I wouldn't reccomend this if you don't have time to be clear as it may just confuse someone when they least need confusion.

    If there is something glaringly bad that the fighter is doing then they will get coached on that point too. With 5 seconds or so left in the break the fighter should be ready and one final assessment is made by the head cornerman to ensure the fight should continue. Everyone scrambles out and down.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    I wish that more places would include corner working as part of what is learned at the gym. It is a valuable skill, one I learned from being cornered, mirroring or being a third wheel when organizer would allow more than 2. I still have lots to learn.

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    • #3
      I have noticed on occasion that Thai corner men will pick up a fighter and carry him to the corner? Is this done when a fighter has sustained alot of legkicks, or is there another reason behind it?

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      • #4
        I have been told that when a trainer lifts the fighter it is to allow the lungs to fill all the way, or to work easier. I do not know myself, so that sounded good to me. About coaching during the round, in many organizations it is not allowed. Also, there are stadiums where the noise is such that the fighter will never hear anyway. Which brings up a very cogent point, you must train to the rules of the fight. Deals are constantly made between schools and/or trainers, and sometimes even between the fighters themselves; an example being no elbows. If you have made such a deal you most certainly do not want to train using elbows for the last 2 weeks before the bout. Other things I would like to see more of in the United States are those little round 'trays' they use in Thailand to keep water off of the canvas. I advise anyone who has smokers in their gym to invest a few bucks to keep your matt from getting a rotted spot.

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