Men Vs Women

[treelizard]

[QUOTE=J-Luck;273334]

A great deal, indeed. And of course, as we both know, hitting a pad is merely the start. Two moving people, with some training, the intelligence comes into play even more so.

I totally disagree with that. Little kids can hit pads. People without any mathematical knowledge whatsoever can hit pads. But I'm curious, did you watch the video and look at the pictures of women beating men in Thaiboxing that I posted? Do you really think it was due to their superior spatial and mechanical intelligence?

And with grappling, forget it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5615976419910054798

She's not the only one.

Juliana Borges tied for 1st in the mens ADVANCED division at NAGA one year.

Leilana Akiyama outwrestles boys: http://fhsw.com/Leilani%20Akiyama%20Page.htm

Adreianna Jenkins has fought and beat guys too, in grappling.

Kelly Kobold suplexed a guy, threw him for five, slammed him on his head, let him get to his knees, locked in a standing guillotine, dropped back to guard and choked him out.

Kelyn was a silver medalist in several MEN'S lightweight divisions

Women fighting men: No, not all of them lost:

http://www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2005/news042805womenfightingmen.htm

(Jackie Tonawanda, Christy Foster, Sunshine Fettkether, Joann Haegen)

This chick won the boy's state title in wrestling in Alaska:

http://home.gci.net/~ausaw/1st_in_USA.htm

http://www.adn.com/static/multimedia/hutchison/index.html

This in addition to the Thaiboxing matches I posted.
Sunshine again: http://www.womenkickboxing.com/fettkether_pittman.htm
Elmont vs. Philemon: http://www.killer-queen.nl/video.html#

http://www.womenkickboxing.com/male_femalebouts.htm

Takako Shimoseki
Yvonne Chavez vs Wilfred Parra
Asako Yonezawa-Saioka(vs Kiken "Danger" Takayama

[Little Apple]

seriously... women do much worse in spatial reasoning tasks and mental rotation tasks than men...

Oh I know, I'm one of those women who isn't good at parking, but you didn't have to tease us about it.

As a random side note: studies show (don't remember the name of the researcher/book I found this in, but I can look it up if you like) that in any random physical activity, a human male will do better than a human female with one exception: long distance swimming. Apparently if you take a bunch of chicks, and a bunch of dudes, and make them swim, the chicks can go for longer. This says nothing about taking a single woman and training the crap out of her in something, but there you go.

[J-Luck]

[QUOTE=treelizard;273386]

I totally disagree with that. Little kids can hit pads. People without any mathematical knowledge whatsoever can hit pads. But I'm curious, did you watch the video and look at the pictures of women beating men in Thaiboxing that I posted? Do you really think it was due to their superior spatial and mechanical intelligence?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5615976419910054798

She's not the only one.

Juliana Borges tied for 1st in the mens ADVANCED division at NAGA one year.

Leilana Akiyama outwrestles boys: http://fhsw.com/Leilani%20Akiyama%20Page.htm

Adreianna Jenkins has fought and beat guys too, in grappling.

Kelly Kobold suplexed a guy, threw him for five, slammed him on his head, let him get to his knees, locked in a standing guillotine, dropped back to guard and choked him out.

Kelyn was a silver medalist in several MEN'S lightweight divisions

Women fighting men: No, not all of them lost:

http://www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2005/news042805womenfightingmen.htm

(Jackie Tonawanda, Christy Foster, Sunshine Fettkether, Joann Haegen)

This chick won the boy's state title in wrestling in Alaska:

http://home.gci.net/~ausaw/1st_in_USA.htm

http://www.adn.com/static/multimedia/hutchison/index.html

This in addition to the Thaiboxing matches I posted.
Sunshine again: http://www.womenkickboxing.com/fettkether_pittman.htm
Elmont vs. Philemon: http://www.killer-queen.nl/video.html#

http://www.womenkickboxing.com/male_femalebouts.htm

Takako Shimoseki
Yvonne Chavez vs Wilfred Parra
Asako Yonezawa-Saioka(vs Kiken "Danger" Takayama

Ahhhh, so your argument is based on showing that there can be exeptions. lol very nice. I'm done debating you now. I've proven my point beyond a reasonable doubt, and you've shown that this is personal for you...

Good luck!

[treelizard]

[QUOTE=J-Luck;273400]

Ahhhh, so your argument is based on showing that there can be exeptions. lol very nice. I'm done debating you now. I've proven my point beyond a reasonable doubt, and you've shown that this is personal for you...

Good luck!

Kind of odd for you to say this is personal for me when I already said in my first post on this thread that the guy would normally win... I just think it's due to men being better able to handle blunt trauma and physical/hormonal factors, not spatial and mechanical reasoning. It'd be fun, though. Maybe they could use that for the next UFC: pick team members based on math tests instead of fighting skill.

I would be interested in seeing your studies on the correlation between spatial and mechanical reasoning and fighting ability... especially if you have any studies by psychologists (you know, those who are qualified to interpret and determine the functions of intelligence).

[hEmPY]

woman + tactics = woman winz

LOL

[hEmPY]

LOL

j-luck you love playin with rep points huh boy?

[Little Apple]

Wow, you know, I can't always read your posts hempy, and I'm pretty sure you don't always use English, but you make a good point. With a good coach and an understanding of your opponent's strengths and weaknesses, a woman could probably win more often than not. That's if she could be aggressive enough, and they were in the same weight class/ woman was a bit bigger.

[treelizard]

I just don't think there's anything particularly special or unique about the women that I listed who beat the guys in those fights (with the exception of Kelly Kobold, who crushes bones and faces). They trained hard and stayed in the fight. I think men are more likely to win, but don't count the women out.

[treelizard]

Shucks.

I bet he'd score higher on the spatial relations test, however.

[treelizard]

Too funny!

I can drive a stick shift...

[Little Apple]

Ha ha ha!! OK, so if Musashi, Bruce Lee, Treelizard with a knife, and Treelizard with those magic hand ropes (from ong bak, you know: the ones that make you invincible) were all in the same room, and for some reason started fighting, who would win then? Huh? Huh?

edit: yes this room contains 2 treelizards.

[Tom Yum]

Ha ha ha!! OK, so if Musashi, Bruce Lee, Treelizard with a knife, and Treelizard with those magic hand ropes (from ong bak, you know: the ones that make you invincible) were all in the same room, and for some reason started fighting, who would win then? Huh? Huh?

edit: yes this room contains 2 treelizards.

I'd say The Treelizard with the magical ropes; plus she's got oriental medicine for healing even if she did get hurt.

[J-Luck]

LOL

j-luck you love playin with rep points huh boy?

I'm sorry? I didn't neg, or pos rep you if that's what you mean. To be honest, I've never even seen you in this forum.

[eric n]

I remember sometime in the early nineties, Kathy Long proposed a fight between her and a man, and later bailed on the idea because she was getting banged up in preparation for it. I could be wrong, though. I've taken a lot of head shots since then...

I think it's like Tim says, with a caveat. A woman like, say, Layla Ali who walks around at 160lbs or better would have a pretty easy day against a guy of equal skill, but who only weighed 110 lbs. No one has ever said that women can't become just as tough as guys, or that they can't develop the same skill levels as guys. Still, physiology is a tough thing to overcome. When all else is equal, any advantage is an advantage, right? So a woman weighing 150 has a much different physiology than a guy at the same weight. An average woman carries between 18-25 percent bodyfat, just because of their anatomy. A male fighter at that weight might have a body fat level of 5-8 percent. In practical terms, that means a woman at 150 pounds might have as much as 30 pounds of weight on her frame in bodyfat. The man, likewise, has up to 30 extra pounds of muscle mass to throw around.

It's not a sexist thing - it's just what we are.

Kathy never proposed a fight between her and a man. She did do a am boxing match against a male before her first ever kickboxing match. It was his first fight also. He lost. She also sparred almost exclusively against males including Danny Steele, John "Iceman " Adams, and a who claimed a world title or two. Further she worked as a bouncer for over a year and threw out and occasionally beat up men who left her with no other choice.

Further she sparred several times with Boxing Champ Pernell Whitaker and once with Esubio Pedrosa.

All of that said, against a man with significant training, she would have likely gotten plowed.

[eric n]

my pleasure mike, I trained and lived with Kathy for 12 years. She clearly had her eccentricities, but challenging a male professional fighter to an all out fight was not one of them.

Though one day she did have a chest poking match with George Tutsui. A fighter Kathy had worked with lost to one of George's fighters. Kathy felt there was cheating involved. There was none that I saw. George was very very nice about it.