Men Vs Women

[treelizard]

Shucks.

I bet he'd score higher on the spatial relations test, however.

[Garland]

Shucks.

I bet he'd score higher on the spatial relations test, however.

...ya...but I think you might be able to parallel park a car better.



I had to. I'm so sorry.

[treelizard]

Too funny!

I can drive a stick shift...

[Little Apple]

Ha ha ha!! OK, so if Musashi, Bruce Lee, Treelizard with a knife, and Treelizard with those magic hand ropes (from ong bak, you know: the ones that make you invincible) were all in the same room, and for some reason started fighting, who would win then? Huh? Huh?

edit: yes this room contains 2 treelizards.

[Tom Yum]

Ha ha ha!! OK, so if Musashi, Bruce Lee, Treelizard with a knife, and Treelizard with those magic hand ropes (from ong bak, you know: the ones that make you invincible) were all in the same room, and for some reason started fighting, who would win then? Huh? Huh?

edit: yes this room contains 2 treelizards.

I'd say The Treelizard with the magical ropes; plus she's got oriental medicine for healing even if she did get hurt.

[J-Luck]

LOL

j-luck you love playin with rep points huh boy?

I'm sorry? I didn't neg, or pos rep you if that's what you mean. To be honest, I've never even seen you in this forum.

[eric n]

I remember sometime in the early nineties, Kathy Long proposed a fight between her and a man, and later bailed on the idea because she was getting banged up in preparation for it. I could be wrong, though. I've taken a lot of head shots since then...

I think it's like Tim says, with a caveat. A woman like, say, Layla Ali who walks around at 160lbs or better would have a pretty easy day against a guy of equal skill, but who only weighed 110 lbs. No one has ever said that women can't become just as tough as guys, or that they can't develop the same skill levels as guys. Still, physiology is a tough thing to overcome. When all else is equal, any advantage is an advantage, right? So a woman weighing 150 has a much different physiology than a guy at the same weight. An average woman carries between 18-25 percent bodyfat, just because of their anatomy. A male fighter at that weight might have a body fat level of 5-8 percent. In practical terms, that means a woman at 150 pounds might have as much as 30 pounds of weight on her frame in bodyfat. The man, likewise, has up to 30 extra pounds of muscle mass to throw around.

It's not a sexist thing - it's just what we are.

Kathy never proposed a fight between her and a man. She did do a am boxing match against a male before her first ever kickboxing match. It was his first fight also. He lost. She also sparred almost exclusively against males including Danny Steele, John "Iceman " Adams, and a who claimed a world title or two. Further she worked as a bouncer for over a year and threw out and occasionally beat up men who left her with no other choice.

Further she sparred several times with Boxing Champ Pernell Whitaker and once with Esubio Pedrosa.

All of that said, against a man with significant training, she would have likely gotten plowed.

[eric n]

my pleasure mike, I trained and lived with Kathy for 12 years. She clearly had her eccentricities, but challenging a male professional fighter to an all out fight was not one of them.

Though one day she did have a chest poking match with George Tutsui. A fighter Kathy had worked with lost to one of George's fighters. Kathy felt there was cheating involved. There was none that I saw. George was very very nice about it.

[eric n]

thanks mike

[treelizard]

Does anybody have any research about how men and women handle blunt trauma differently? I'm still looking for it, just for my own interest. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that women handle prolonged pain much better than men and men handle blunt trauma much better. I just wonder whether taking full-on hits is more jarring/disorienting for women than men. Of course training could help with this (for both men and women), but I wonder what the differences are. My anecdotal evidence suggests that women do handle prolonged pain better, btw. I know that the biggest thing I work on that's not just technical (drills, form, etc.) (have come a long way but still working on) is staying in the fight mentally after taking a couple headshots or even body shots, and yet I've had really awful prolonged conditions that I had no idea were that bad until I saw a chiropractor/acupuncturist/doctor because I just ignored it. So I think it'd be fascinating if men/women handled pain differently. I think it would also be another point on the side of men at better boxers/kickboxers -- unless you had a male and a female with a chronic injury, lol.

[treelizard]

On inward vs. outward, I think a lot of that is training. For example, I know for myself if someone is going way too hard, I'm probably not going to say anything because I feel like I've trained really hard and tried to act a certain way so men WILL go as hard when they're training. I've actually had guys apologize to me after class on several occasions, and me saying "It was my fault, I didn't block it" doesn't put them at ease (but another guy telling them they didn't do anything wrong, will). I think guys that aren't assholes have a natural aversion to hitting women, and it's not really something I'd want to desensitize out of people (though if they are good guys I'm sure they wouldn't randomly hit women for no reason no matter how much they do in training). But anyways, I know on many occasions I've just sat there and put up with something that was really incredibly painful (i.e. someone practicing sweeps wrong and making them really hard kicks in the same spot over and over again) without saying anything because I'd rather deal with that than have people go easy on me day in and day out. Also it's kind of tough to tell why people are asking certain questions...one guy I trained taijutsu with would ask "did that hurt?" and I never knew if he was really trying to gauge his level of intensity or if he was testing my reaction. I assumed the latter and would of course never admit that he was going way harder than he needed to for a drill that someone couldn't even defend... I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction... but of course he could have been asking for perfectly benevolent reasons.

Anyways, I'd be interested if reaction/recovery time is different between men and women. When I take a good hit--even if it's just a good body shot not even a kidney or head shot--it is so incredibly jarring for a few seconds. I've been slowly trying to improve on how long it takes me to recover from that, it used to be probably a good ten or fifteen seconds. However I've seen men take full-on shots and just keep going, not even really notice til later, or smile through it like Forrest Griffin does.

[Tom Yum]

These Women Marines don't bother with research, polls & dialogues justifying how tough women could be, they're living it.

[eric n]

there are NO LADY MARINES. Females in the Corps are refered to as WMs...women marines.