"Mai" Muay Thai Chaiya DVD by Kru Preang

[george stando]

Dont want to overstep my bounds here but muay thai is muay thai, you aint getting it any better than a muay thai camp, end of story. You go to a hardcore muay thai camp with the thais only and be ready for an experience. I wouldnt go anywhere else for muay thai but a top notch muay thai camp.
I saw the empty hand stuff and it was good but I didnt practice it. One must practice to ((see)) really but again why go to thailand for that aspect? If you want aliveness and real stuff to use then why pay all that money, travel, time and effort unless you want an exotic vacation. If you want the full experience of going to thailand, playing the whole game with the instructor, spending forever getting to the top of the road that is available to you elsewhere then its ok but accept that fact and roll with it. I am just trying to be truthful becuase I was helped by a foreigner who saw through all this and helped me see too. I had a hard time but now I see it clearly.
There is no more gap between asians and westerners, we have closed it down effectively in the fields of mma and self defense in my own humble opinion. They could actually learn from us. If you look at the muay chaiya footage, we(meaning those westerners well schooled in these areas ) can easily show them how to fight in real time for real, they cant seem to figure it out at all or are too egotistical to try or are clueless how to train something is missing to produce such a poor result.
Im going to train it because I love the cultural aspects and the history though i am just learning aboutit now. But I dont think for a minute any of those guys are going to school me on whats real, whats going to work on a street corner in the us, england or france for that manner or how to train scientifically and effectively...i have seen none of that in thailand by anyone at anytime and i will be living and training there full time shortly and will report back on that. My goal is muay thai primarily to compete then learn the rest slowly over time.
Stay away from the over hyped websites, those proclaiming to be the only ones, the first this and that, its the new selling environment there and here. Everything is polluted with the nonsense. Hopefully you can find a teacher that is true and teaches from his heart and wants to teach you and loves to teach you, its what makes the martial arts what they are, a positive experience not a forgetful negative one.
Alot of people dont agree with me but thats ok i accept that but I ran the course so i know at least a little something and I know people who have run the course for along, long time.
I would get sportsmuaythai opinion to balance it out then go from there. At least i hope this helps somewhat.....

[jg7]

Hi Tee sok,

do you have a good contact for a muay thai teacher in thailand?
as would like to go in december and study in thailand

thanks

john

[sportmuaythai]

come on man, you cant master thai boxing in 3 months. you can learn some basics and thats it.

Ok may be I'm overstating it, but you'll get much better at muaythai than if you train in the US, generally. Definitely not just some basics, unless you landed in a not so good camp. Pls read the whole post.

you can QUITE master thai boxing in 3 months.

But what if I LIKE waltz and tango?

You'll probably get your girl too, but selection will be smaller. Same with muay chaiya, you should be able to fight reasonably well, if you can find a good teacher. However, it would take you much longer to get there, and still you'd probably not fight as well as if you trained in regular sport muaythai.
I would be more afraid of some one saying:

But what if I LIKE boys, will I get them too?

[Tee Sok]

Well, I think that after 3 months of intense training 6 days a week
starting in the early morning and continuing through the day until
late afternoon you will get more than just some basics...that's what I think
anyway.

[Ghost]

Ok, here is my 2 cents. If you only want to learn self defense quickly, Thailand does offer an excellent option. For stand up fighting, muaythai is lauded. There are lots and lots of good muaythai camps in Thailand which fire cobra can guide you to.
The training is one on one twice a day. If you're fairly talented, dedicated, and not an aloof person, you can quite master the art in three months. To get to the same proficiency with training in the US in an equal amount of time, you'll paying with your limbs and your nose will probably bleed profusely too.
Then for ground fighting skill, Shark can direct you to camps that do BJJ, again fairly cheaply. If you need further help, just PM these two guys and I'm certain that they will help you find the right places.
As for muay chaiya, it does have charm, and it does work, albiet not as efficient as modern sport muaythai. Modern Latin dances will get you a girl quicker than waltz or tango.

come on man, you cant master thai boxing in 3 months. you can learn some basics and thats it.

[sportmuaythai]

jg7:
If you want real self defense and that sort of thing there is no way in hell you need to travel to thailand for that, we got the best right here in the US. It would be insane in my opinion to go there and get bogged down in nonsense and politics and come away with so little. I mean I like some of the muay chaiya techs but most of the instructors are not alive or functional, just sticking rigorously to numerous movements that they dont really use.

Just my two cents.

Ok, here is my 2 cents. If you only want to learn self defense quickly, Thailand does offer an excellent option. For stand up fighting, muaythai is lauded. There are lots and lots of good muaythai camps in Thailand which fire cobra can guide you to.
The training is one on one twice a day. If you're fairly talented, dedicated, and not an aloof person, you can quite master the art in three months. To get to the same proficiency with training in the US in an equal amount of time, you'll paying with your limbs and your nose will probably bleed profusely too.
Then for ground fighting skill, Shark can direct you to camps that do BJJ, again fairly cheaply. If you need further help, just PM these two guys and I'm certain that they will help you find the right places.
As for muay chaiya, it does have charm, and it does work, albiet not as efficient as modern sport muaythai. Modern Latin dances will get you a girl quicker than waltz or tango.

[jg7]

Hi George,

who do you recommend in the US and what is the style?

John

[george stando]

jg7:
I would pass on the whole italian kk thing for numerous reasons which you can personally PM me about.

If you want real self defense and that sort of thing there is no way in hell you need to travel to thailand for that, we got the best right here in the US. It would be insane in my opinion to go there and get bogged down in nonsense and politics and come away with so little. I mean I like some of the muay chaiya techs but most of the instructors are not alive or functional, just sticking rigorously to numerous movements that they dont really use.

Just my two cents.

[jg7]

are there any good teacher you recommend that i could contact other than preang who knows all the muay chaiya system in Bangkok?

john

[Tee Sok]

I am a beginner in Muay Chayia so I am going through the basics right now and I cannot speak from my personal experience.
What I know is that khru Tong knew how to fight and could do it well and it has all been proved, so l would definitely say the system does work. I heard wonderful things about him from an old student of his and l heard the same from my teacher and others who trained with him.

[jg7]

H Teesok,

have you trained in muay chaiya if you have what do you think of style for real street combat

thanks

john

[Tee Sok]

There's been a thread about this, you can read here:

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=15786

George, I heard the same thing about Muay Korat when I asked thai teachers
aout it. Korat teachers tend to keep things low and quiet and will even say they know little or that they don't know it if they don't know you.
That's how it works in Thailand, and it's yet another example of kru Praeng's
propaganda and selling plans.

[jg7]

Hi George,
Your knowledge is very deep and it is good to have top guys like you on the forum, do you know of a Guy in Italy teaching krabi krabong sitrat style he shows a lot of Muay thai does this particular school in thailand have this hand to hand stuff and if you have seen it is it effective or not?

thanks

john

[george stando]

Kru Praengs ground tactics are laughable, actually when i was in thailand one of his guys showed me some of it which was easily defeatable and laughable at best.

He's using that fight to promote his school is crazy only gulliable thai people would see that as something valuable to learn. As they teach it, its an old dance of techniques without any knowledge how to use them.

I agree they have no fighting knowledge or dont know how to make the moves work in a real confrontation. Any american or foreigner would look at that and laugh and not bother with any training that would produce that result after years of training. Its a real shame because like I said they made a mess out of everything with all this senseless infighting.

Muay Khorat actually is more viable to a modern situation and is better to learn and no politics. Khorat is the most fertile region even now for muay and it gave muay chaiya so many problems and developed alot of legendary fighters that chaiya adopted some khorat techs.

[sportmuaythai]

Hi Guys,
This is John,

Wanted to ask a question, does tradational muay thai have throws and locks as i see in muay chaiya they seem to have throws and locks, is this the only thai boxing style that has this?
Also is muay chaiya an effective street art for self defence?
thanks
John

Muaythai does have clinching and throws. But not on the ground fight. This muay chaiya fight came about because kru Praeng clan rave about on the ground tactics that they have, while kru Lek's students claimed that they could win without "on the ground technique".

Those guys obviously are not going full contact,they must have set some rules for a friendly light sparring contest or something like that.

Sorry cobra, this was an all out fight.

The guy in the grey sleeveless T-shirt is a kru Praeng's instructor, and the other is kru Lek's student.

The fighter from kru Praeng said that the fight was stopped when his opponent was badly cut and his nose was bleeding all over.
BTW I don't see any move that could be called muay chaiya in this fight except for a brief foot work right at the begining, by kru Praeng's instructor. My son (who has zero training in martial art) took a brief glance at my request, and commented that it looked like two untrained teenagers brawling, and it's exactly how I feel. I think that both kru Praeng and kru lek lack experience and understanding of real fight, and the result shows. Muay chaiya has history, so it obviously has merits. However, I feel that it must be frequently tested if it is to be efficient and up to date. Currently, kru Praeng is using this fight to promote his school extensively.