Muay Thai levels

[fire cobra]

No levels in Muay Thai exept are you N class,C class B class or A class,please guys and gals look to Thailand training camps and see how they train(easy to view on You Tube) if your class(gym etc) isnt doing the same or something similar then you probably arent doing Muay Thai.

Of course what you are doing may still be good,may be suited to you,my point is though it isnt Muay Thai if it doesnt resemble how the camps in Thailand run their training.

Last thing ,there are no gradings in Muay Thai camps in Thailand.

[Guest]

But if the TBA shield is on the certificate, wouldn't that indicate that the TBA has some standardized ranking system?

(I am not yet ready to ask my instructor -- I want to know a little bit what I am talking about before I do that).

According to the certificate you posted you were awarded Level I in January, which means you must have been with your instructor since well into last year. You haven't established enough trust and confidence to ask them a simple question about a rank they issued?

Call me cynical, but there are inconsistencies in your posts that lead me to believe there are hidden agendas at work here.

If you are a genuine student of a TBA teacher then ask them the question and they will be more than happy to help you.

[Thai_Girl]

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[Mike N]

No levels in Muay Thai exept are you N class,C class B class or A class,please guys and gals look to Thailand training camps and see how they train(easy to view on You Tube) if your class(gym etc) isnt doing the same or something similar then you probably arent doing Muay Thai.

Of course what you are doing may still be good,may be suited to you,my point is though it isnt Muay Thai if it doesnt resemble how the camps in Thailand run their training.

Last thing ,there are no gradings in Muay Thai camps in Thailand.

I wouldn't really agree with this in its entirety, just because they have Thai camps with pro fighters in it doesn't mean that method works well in the USA. Using this same ideology if we all lived in a house they would all look alike because it is a house and only one building model should be used. different means to the same ending.
People respond to different training methodologies uniquely. Different cultures learn through different processes also.
Most Thai camp participants are either visiting for training or are pro fighters and that is their job. 99% of America doesn't have that liberty. We 9 -5 or later somewhere then commute to the thai boxing class.

[Guest]

Michael Wright:

you say "there are inconsistencies in your posts that lead me to believe there are hidden agendas at work here." What does that even mean?

Let me help you out:

- You said you had been studying for several months, yet the certificate you posted showed level I in January, which by my timescales takes you well into last year. Now you say it may not have been January this year, so if it was a previous year that makes your study a minimum of 18 months to 2 years?

- So you have been studying with a TBA Instructor for, arguments sake, anywhere from one to two years. Yet, you didn't know that the shield on your certificate was the emblem of the Thai Boxing Association of America? That doesn't strike you as odd?

- From not knowing what this shield was, or therefore knowing who the Thai Boxing Association of America are, someone sent you a post saying it was the logo of the "TBA". Within 6 minutes you not only knew what TBA meant but you also had a working knowledge of their website, and links to TBA testing requirements you had previously found? That doesn't strike you as odd?

- Finally, you trust your Instructor with your life, but not enough to ask a simple question about a grade and certificate he gave you? Instead you wanted to question this on a public internet forum and seem to push continued questions about the TBA and their ranking system. I've seen similar posts before.

Its not attitude or chips on shoulders, I'm just asking you some honest questons, saying it as I see it. There are lots of politics and agendas in Muay Thai, we get a lot of hidden motives on here, and I don't think your thread ads up.

Hey, if I am wrong then I sincerely apologise.

[Thai_Girl]

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[aseepish]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[fire cobra]

I wouldn't really agree with this in its entirety, just because they have Thai camps with pro fighters in it doesn't mean that method works well in the USA. Using this same ideology if we all lived in a house they would all look alike because it is a house and only one building model should be used. different means to the same ending.
People respond to different training methodologies uniquely. Different cultures learn through different processes also.
Most Thai camp participants are either visiting for training or are pro fighters and that is their job. 99% of America doesn't have that liberty. We 9 -5 or later somewhere then commute to the thai boxing class.

I understand your points bro,most actually all of my students fit into the part time student of Muay Thai group,however I teach them Muay Thai as its done in Thailand,if I didnt then I wouldnt be teaching them Muay Thai,of course they wont get to the level of a pro fighter by training part time,but if they visit Thailand to train they will know exactly whats going on.

[george stando]

Theres alot of interesting views here. But i tend to agree with fire cobra but my own take on it is I teach muay thai as i learned it, whether we do it at night for one or two hours after work or all day on the weekend, the training progression has to be there. So yes, its more intense here and continuous, but if i teach its going to be intense and continuous in smaller doses for my classes. Things will change a bit to contour for lets say teaching americans who work all the day but the art doesnt change all that much in my experience. As fire cobra also pointed out and i agree, if I teach someone and they go to thailand to train, its going to feel good, they are going to fall in well and adapt readily without much surprises, they understand the art and they will immediately go into action just like my instructor prepared me for this big journey. My teacher teaches in america and his classes are very well composed and his methods work and completely in line with thai muay thai camp standards. Rankings I guess have their place but you also have to explain to the student you are giving the ranking to that the original art places no emphasis on it and thus its a system we employ for our progressions and markers and not an overall view for the art.

[fire cobra]

Theres alot of interesting views here. But i tend to agree with fire cobra but my own take on it is I teach muay thai as i learned it, whether we do it at night for one or two hours after work or all day on the weekend, the training progression has to be there. So yes, its more intense here and continuous, but if i teach its going to be intense and continuous in smaller doses for my classes. Things will change a bit to contour for lets say teaching americans who work all the day but the art doesnt change all that much in my experience. As fire cobra also pointed out and i agree, if I teach someone and they go to thailand to train, its going to feel good, they are going to fall in well and adapt readily without much surprises, they understand the art and they will immediately go into action just like my instructor prepared me for this big journey. My teacher teaches in america and his classes are very well composed and his methods work and completely in line with thai muay thai camp standards. Rankings I guess have their place but you also have to explain to the student you are giving the ranking to that the original art places no emphasis on it and thus its a system we employ for our progressions and markers and not an overall view for the art.

Well said George.

I to belive that Rankings etc have there place as does training differently to Thailand,however dont call it Muay Thai unless your training as all the camps in Thailand do.

[JadeDragon]

I was going to start a muey thai class at a gym here called L.A. Boxing but when I went and took the first free class I was VERY disappointed in it. It was more of an aerobic class using muey thai combinations on bannana bag (i think thats what they're callled). There was no sparring of any type. It was basically an hour of non stop combo to the bag. I was about to drop dead after 30 or 40 minutes of continuous movement. It was in my oppinion, boring.

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[fire cobra]

I was going to start a muey thai class at a gym here called L.A. Boxing but when I went and took the first free class I was VERY disappointed in it. It was more of an aerobic class using muey thai combinations on bannana bag (i think thats what they're callled). There was no sparring of any type. It was basically an hour of non stop combo to the bag. I was about to drop dead after 30 or 40 minutes of continuous movement. It was in my oppinion, boring.

LA Boxing - Your fat blasting / quick weight loss boxing, kickboxing, MMA, Mixed Martial Arts fitness workout classes.

Yet the class was advertised as Muay Thai yes?,this is the point in my posts above,it may of been suited to you(I know it wasnt) it may of been a good class,but doing a hour of Muay Thai combinations isnt doing Muay Thai,was there any pad work with a coach? any clinch work? any defence and counter attack work? light sparring? nope,but these things should be a mainstay of Muay Thai training othewise they should call it Thai boxercise or something like that,that ype of training has its place and is good by me but dont call it Muay Thai!!.(rant over).

I hope you find a good Muay Thai gym JadeDragon.

[JadeDragon]

Yet the class was advertised as Muay Thai yes?,this is the point in my posts above,it may of been suited to you(I know it wasnt) it may of been a good class,but doing a hour of Muay Thai combinations isnt doing Muay Thai,was there any pad work with a coach? any clinch work? any defence and counter attack work? light sparring? nope,but these things should be a mainstay of Muay Thai training othewise they should call it Thai boxercise or something like that,that ype of training has its place and is good by me but dont call it Muay Thai!!.(rant over).

I hope you find a good Muay Thai gym JadeDragon.

Yeah it was advertised as muey thai kickboxing. There was NO pad work, no clinching, no defense and counter, etc.... Just an hour of combinations on the bag. Thats why I didn't sign up for it. And it wasn't cheap either. It was going to be like $65.00 a month or something like that. I was looking for something with a little more contact and practical. Heck, if I wanted a cardio workout I can jog around the block........lol.

[fire cobra]

Yeah it was advertised as muey thai kickboxing. There was NO pad work, no clinching, no defense and counter, etc.... Just an hour of combinations on the bag. Thats why I didn't sign up for it. And it wasn't cheap either. It was going to be like $65.00 a month or something like that. I was looking for something with a little more contact and practical. Heck, if I wanted a cardio workout I can jog around the block........lol.

Exactly,actually when you find a good gym you should jog there and back! lol.