technique comparison

[Sieh Tanonchai]

I think I begin to understand your point.
Let me think about it, specially about the 2nd half you said.

Just one first question since I appreciate a discussion with you.
In case I do not want to prove my knowledge with names of persons etc what would be the way to have a technical and subject orientated conversation with you? Your answer would help me a lot to improve.

thanks
Sieh

[Sieh Tanonchai]

Sieh,

Im sorry but copying and pasting copy like you are at the moment isnt what I would construe as having a discussion about Muay Thai/Thai Martial Arts.

Also Ive once again read this info on aother site.

How about discussing wht your daily or weekly training routine consists of? for exmple do you shadow box? spar? practice technique with a partner?

I do all of these things most if not every day,as Ive got older the fitness aspects are harder but the strength aspects are easier,at the moment Im trying to work on more technique/variety of technique,but the last few years I have been trying to develop clinching which is very hard without experienced partners.

Yes, many of this information is written on a website what is down at the moment. Sure I copy and paste, I would not know all of it.
And at the end everything we do is somehow copied, or did someone of us invent a new technique etc? I didn't, I copy what many generations before me found out.

Back to your suggestion to talk about.
Since I am not with my teacher nor my fellows I train mostly the 30 'body strengthening exercises', techniques (alone) and I go to spar once in a while (in different gyms). I used to do the same stuff with 80% sparring as I lived near my teacher's school. Sometimes I shadowbox, to stay 'fluent'.

You said you are specializing the clinch, is that right?
We could discuss this one.
I don't go often for the clinch. It has a high risk compared to the gain. And there are some techniques what makes it even more difficult to take someone 'down' through the clinch, I think.
Do you have any specific technique in mind you attack/defend with?
You could tell what someone could use for attack and the other one for defense. And I could add my 50 cents. Or the other way around.

[Sieh Tanonchai]

Kyuss,
in order to show you how I try hard I answer to your post, my way.

...When someone "believes" they have been given a certain truth, they can't believe or accept that it be a false truth or not the total truth.

Looks we have something in common, I also do not believe what anyone tells me. And i would never say I know the truth. Specially since there is not one truth, there is my truth, your truth and 3rd truth, ever heard about it?

I asked Sieh specific questions about his background, the validity of the lineage and his teacher, so we can look into that because something is not right here as picked up on by several others. How does one do their checks? They go out and train, they research the stuff they are learning, they go to the well that is thailand to learn, they put their knowledge to the test by fighting or sparring, they teach others maybe and develop instructors or fighters which is process onto itself...learning is a multi-faceted process that is on going and never ending. research is a clear, scientific process.

You can ask everything you like to, most of the times I will even answer. But if it comes to unrelated issues such as background, the validity of the lineage and teacher, my answers are limited. I explained several times why I keep it this way.Additional you could see this as an kind of protection: If someone can not read an open book this book probably was not written to be read by him(!).
When you say they do their test by going to Thailand to learn, what they are looking for? Isn't this the question? You'll find what you are looking for..
For money you get in Thailand everything. Paying good you find suitable people for your ring experience. But you won't find what you are not looking for. If someone would sell you a glove what helps you to kick harder (!?!) by telling the pro-fighters of ...gym use it and an old MT-master confirmed it, you would go for it, would you?
The research I do is clear to me, it is my head what decides for me.

It seems you just invaded this forum to disrupt, argue and try to prove a point and like a little child when you couldnt have your way, you screamed, cried and waved your rattle like a spoiled brat. Funny you call out the tick for not using his real name but why arent you using your real name....weird how you always try to spin back things only to have them explode in your face.

I said to tick
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Why is your name tick anyway, is it because you are ticked, you get ticked, you are a tick?
..."
Nice example for showing me how carefully you read and act with given information. If you act the same way while boxing I could imagine yoy get each fight a bunch of hits you haven't expected, do you?
Show me the post you think I acted as a child, usually I act here as an nanny, I have seen.

Re read your posts, there is a concise answer from many people besides myself to your antics and endless tirades. There is an intelligence and a martial experience level that might be too much for you to handle on this forum. If you listen to some of the people on here you actually might learn something. I read through many posts here and there is much knowledge being exchanged in short bursts and some in long bursts.

What are you waiting for, let's go to this expert level to see if you have new information for me, great idea. We should have started here straight away.
Don't get yourself confused as I said I am a first grade student, this does not mean I am a rookie or unexperienced. Test me!

Sieh we have asked you to back up your words with something, you show endless you tube videos which are terrible examples of martial art or skill or knowledge but you say its concise and real, you dont reveal who you are, your training years, experience, lineage, teacher and any proof that you trained at all or your teacher is valid, this all comes up because you are posting material that many feel is not valid or real or comes from an authentic line or lineage, if you can simply provide the information then people can check for themselves do the research and a conversation can continue along those lines.

Ok, what kind of information you accept to check it? You won't get names etc. If you do not want to check simple techniques given as image or clip, what you are looking for?
Did you know Pahuyuth teacher recognize each other, since a long time? How do you think they do this?

We have seen "supposed systems" pop up in thailand with a full spectrum of hundreds of techniques but yet when you study the real authentic systems like chaiya, khorat, lopburi, and others they are set up with specific techniques within their system. They have the appropriate number for their system and they dont need millions, they have what they need as a set system. They have lineage and teachers that are clearly documented. Are you saying they are less valid because they have less than the sum techniques of your "supposed authentic system", that your system is more "old, pure,authentic,unique" or because you recognize one or two techs that are the same from their system that yours is suddenly valid?

Pahuyuth did not pop up.
I think you are a little confused, you are talking about lemons, lemon trees and apples, are you sure you want to mix them.
Could you quickly tell me what you heard of Pahuyuth? It would make things easier, I could give you some additional information to build up somebody's mind.

If you dont like being questioned or dont like having to answer about your backround and such then you should refrain from making comments as you have made and simply have a conversation as a practitioner who wants to share techniques you feel are valid but others might feel are garbage. Then you can accept them and they will accept your point of view. Other than that I cant provide much more.

I am really trying very hard to understand all posts here as an practitioner, believe me.

Hopefully you will answer the questions i asked honestly without any filler of fanfare and we can have a discussion about that and the techniques and how those techniques might be colored or misinterperted by your less than stelllar backround and training.[/QUOTE]
I answered. Are the replies as you would like them to be? What part you dislike? If a question wasn't answered please ask different so I can better understand.
Could you answer me also my questions such as the Pahuyuth question etc?

Sieh