Do any of you crosstrain in Kyokushin?

[Bligh]

Just a curiousity question, how many have trained in kyokushin or any of its derivatives? Have any of you sparred hard aginst these guys? What was your impression of either experience?

Thanks in advance.

[duchman]

bligh,
i got youre email but my account is fecked up and i can't reply.
so i'm not ignoring you!

[duchman]

how many have trained in kyokushin or any of its derivatives?
Yes, i was the youth dutch chapion in 2 systems

Have any of you sparred hard aginst these guys?
uhh, yea LOL

What was your impression of either experience?
killer kicks, great bare knuckle fighter's but sloppy in boxing gloves. great base to start before you go into kickboxing.
Created great fighters.

[Khayman]

Yup, I trained in Kyokushinkai for a few years. These guys are tough, they seemed to be able to take punishments very well. However, one drawback is that they don't allow to punch the face in sparring. Other than that, very hard and tough.

[Tim Mousel]

Hi,

I trained in a style similar to Kyokushin. It was called Ashihara Karate. Hideyuki Ashihara received his black belt from Mas Oyama and then created his method by integrating a lot of Thaiboxing and his own streetfighting experiences.

I trained privately with two of Ashihara's black belts for about 3 years while they went to college in my hometown. Those guys were super tough. The training was extremely difficult. I learned a lot about leg kicks, knee and elbow strikes. Every session ended with full contact sparring. Often we'd put gloves on and add the strikes to the face. I agree Khayman, the lack of strikes to the face is a big drawback but fortunately (or unfortunately they liked to train with the face strikes.

I gained a lot of valuable experience training with the Ashihara guys.

Tim

[Bligh]

Thanks everybody for sharing your experiences.

I read in an interview with Shigeru Oyama that back in the early days of Kyokushin they did allow punches to the face. He spoke of frequent black eyes, broken noses, and lost teeth. According to his story, the face strikes were removed because kyokushin was really getting snubbed by Japanese martial artists and even the general Japanese population as a thug school. Whether it was true or not, the organization was considered a finishing school for hoods and yakuza to get tough. Mas thought his art would not spread with this stigma looming over it.

Might be BS, but I thought I would share it.

[Khayman]

Bligh. the story is true.

[duchman]

have you guy's ever heard of john bluming???


bligh,
9 of the 10 styles (karate) sparred that way in the old day's

[Bligh]

Duchman,

Isn't John Blumming the Kyoksuhin/Judo badarse from the Netherlands? He was in some MA documentary.

Why was kyokushin branded with such a bad rap if everybody was training that way? Are you talking AS regularly and AS hard contact and CONTINUOSLY (no point-stop crap)?

I was under the impression that Yamaguchi was the first to introduce contests in karate and he patterned them on kendo rules. Oyama was a student of Yamaguchi (among others) and took the idea to the next level by making the sparring continuous. Any info would be appreciated.

[Khayman]

heard of Oyama's 300 men kumite? If u have, you'd know why it has that kinda reputation.

[duchman]

Originally posted by Bligh
Duchman,

Isn't John Blumming the Kyoksuhin/Judo badarse from the Netherlands? He was in some MA documentary.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bligh
[B]
Yes,
he is bad ass, and a great no bs guy, debunkt a lot myths.
He has a book out you should read it.
will post some articles about him soon

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bligh
[B]
Why was kyokushin branded with such a bad rap if everybody was training that way? Are you talking AS regularly and AS hard contact and CONTINUOSLY (no point-stop crap)?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bligh
[B]

I'm not sure who invented it, but there where a lot of karate guy's beating the sh*t out of each other in sparring, i talkt to a 8 dan wado kai who was in his 80's to summers a go, he told be there was NO point stop/pussy karate* in alot of school back than, those guys where bad ass. the sensei i talkt too, told me some great stories, will type some up soon.
any way the coolest thing was how there where some "karate kids" talking to me about how bad bjj and boxing whas. the guy heard that walked over strated talking very highly about the gracie's and how good boxing training is, and that wado-kai karate is far from ready and not effective like practiced in alot of dojo's today.
you should seen the look on the faces of the dudes, one of them was even wearing a karate kid belt on his head.
we talked for hours after that. the sensei was cool as hell


* bluming quote

[Bligh]

Thanks, Duchman.
Post those Blumming articles.

[sidder]

I've been training hard in kyokushin for the last couple of years under a private teacher. Sometimes we train muay thai styll, but usually we train kyokushin - no gloves, no face-punching. I also trained under a guy in Winnipeg who's a kickboxing, san shou, and kyokushin fighter and title holder. Very strong!!!! He tagged me with"Brazilian kicks" (you know, like the ones Filho does) to the head about 15 times in as many minutes. You don't even see them coming. The late Andy Hug was a very good kyokushin fighter and never trained under any muay thai or boxing coaches when he won the world muay thai super heavyweight title (which he held for 3 years). I find that kyokushin's biggest weakness in the ring is the relative lack of formal boxing training because many guys rely primarily on their kicks. It's good to train under someone who emphasized punching skills. It's very important to learn slipping, bobb & weave, etc.... This stuff complements the bare-knuckle element of kyokushin very nicely. That guy in Holland did an interview for a documentary and said that whatever decent kyokushin guys hit, they break. That's why they had to take face punching out of tournaments. Because there's so much knuckle and hand conditioning that many would get badly injured or killed. But that's no excuse not to learn these skills (eg with gloves on). Good luck and train hard!

[Halloween Jack]

Originally posted by Bligh
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Why was kyokushin branded with such a bad rap if everybody was training that way? Are you talking AS regularly and AS hard contact and CONTINUOSLY (no point-stop crap)?

Not everyone was, especially in Japan. But in many American karate tournaments in the '60s, the only concessions made toward safety were groin protectors and mouth guards. Then Jhoon Rhee invented the Safe-T-Punch foam rubber stuff.

Oh, and what are "Brazilian kicks?" Those wussy stomp kicks Royce tried in the UFC?

[kdjudo]

I started training in Shidokan Karate a little while back. It's an off spring of Kyokushin that added thai boxing and grappling. It's painful, wicked stuff. Man, but to me it's the best thing going! Knockouts and broken noses are common, especially the knockouts.