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[Ghost]

so if im weaving under your hook how do you knee me in the head? bearing in mind that as im weaving through im hooking to your body and following up with a cross to the head.

weaving is great, you can get nice outside clinches from it and you punch from the weave as well. i certainly dont worry about getting kneed in the head as i know how to weave properly, which most thai boxers dont unless they have actual boxing training as well.

by the same token, to shoot for a takedown would be the worst idea in history, but it isnt, it works as well

[William]

I wouldn’t be in position if you came in under my hook. I was referring to a set-up from a jab or even a cross when the guy tries to bob & weave under. If I see that the guy likes to do that, I’ll look to set him up. But then Chalambok used to say that I was unusual in the way that I could throw a lead knee and that is what I would mainly use in situation like that (and an aspect I train my guys on). As far as coming under my lead hook, I tend to use my footwork and angle out on a slight 45 so that my body is moving off of your centerline when I throw it. Tends to cut off that angle and leave a nice line to follow up into close range with an overhand, elbow, or knee.

I agree that slipping to one side or the other is a good tactic, but you won’t generally catch me bobbing my head under and across the centerline.

Not everything works 100% of the time. As you said, Just like kneeing someone who wants to take you down, great in theory...but doesn't always work out that way. It's all about whether you catch them our not. If equally skilled..do you have the luck on that day?

[fire cobra]

A good fighter would set the weaver up for knee or elbow to the head with feints,a lot depends to on the height of the fighter,ie a tall knee striker and a short weaver makes it easier for the knee striker.

[Ghost]

A good fighter would set the weaver up for knee or elbow to the head with feints,a lot depends to on the height of the fighter,ie a tall knee striker and a short weaver makes it easier for the knee striker.

yes thats true but the point i was going to lead to with it is that you have to make an assesment of who you are fighting, and that goes right across the board imo as to what you use. trying to outbox a boxer that is better than you might not be the best idea, but you can for sure use weaves on a guy that kicks and punch but doesnt knee much.
So based on that i have it at my disposal to use as and when. all imo.

[fire cobra]

yes thats true but the point i was going to lead to with it is that you have to make an assesment of who you are fighting, and that goes right across the board imo as to what you use. trying to outbox a boxer that is better than you might not be the best idea, but you can for sure use weaves on a guy that kicks and punch but doesnt knee much.
So based on that i have it at my disposal to use as and when. all imo.

Yeah i agree to that Ghost,so the more that you can do technically the more you can do tacticly.

[tekshow]

i think you can use the weaving at any appropriate time. Why not? Plus if you do a weave using the knees rather than lowering the head to get a knee to the face you'll have an opportunity. I just wouldn't say "never" weave. In fact Ajarn Chai has us weave usually in seminar warm ups and at the Thai camp.

[fire cobra]

i think you can use the weaving at any appropriate time. Why not? Plus if you do a weave using the knees rather than lowering the head to get a knee to the face you'll have an opportunity. I just wouldn't say "never" weave. In fact Ajarn Chai has us weave usually in seminar warm ups and at the Thai camp.

Yeah you can weave at certain times bro,ive seen Boxers in Thailand bob under kicks,my main point is its not a tactic taught as a mainstay in the camps of Thailand,whereas lening into a swing/hook and kneeing/clinching,leaning awayfrom,blocking and using the elbow are all techniques/tactics taught and used in every camp/match,even good punchers modern day like Anawat Kaewsamrit didnt use that type of tactic as a mainstay of his game,if they dont do it in Thailand camps/rings why would we want to do it in the west?.

[iPat]

...if they dont do it in Thailand camps/rings why would we want to do it in the west?.

do we want to train to other peoples limitations or excel in our own potential?

taking this argument, we would never have 'boxed' the thais, choosing not to work on the hands because it used to be weak in their game simply because we never saw it in Thailand camps.

Most camps in my experience will work on whats going to score points in order to win the fights. This is a bit different from trying to develop a skill which may be a low percentage winner. When we send troops to war we dont develop their 'chi' we give them the high percentage techniques for survival in that environment. The monotonous Krabbi Krabong routines are a great example of that

here, in the west, we dont have to fight - well in most cases - to put food to our familly. This is a sport and the best fighters dont simply follow the crowd.

Lost my sign in info as i hadnt posted for a few years. Hope a few old friends are here and look forward to speaking with you all over time! TBA - UK is growing on solid foundations and still doing loads of Thai.

Pat Davies
Aberdeen UK

[fire cobra]

do we want to train to other peoples limitations or excel in our own potential?

taking this argument, we would never have 'boxed' the thais, choosing not to work on the hands because it used to be weak in their game simply because we never saw it in Thailand camps.

Most camps in my experience will work on whats going to score points in order to win the fights. This is a bit different from trying to develop a skill which may be a low percentage winner. When we send troops to war we dont develop their 'chi' we give them the high percentage techniques for survival in that environment. The monotonous Krabbi Krabong routines are a great example of that

here, in the west, we dont have to fight - well in most cases - to put food to our familly. This is a sport and the best fighters dont simply follow the crowd.

Lost my sign in info as i hadnt posted for a few years. Hope a few old friends are here and look forward to speaking with you all over time! TBA - UK is growing on solid foundations and still doing loads of Thai.

Pat Davies
Aberdeen UK

I take your point bro,i dont like limitations body or mind,however my main point is Thais know how to win at Muay Thai,its what they do its what they have done for a long time,and they dont use bobbing /weaving as a mainstay of there defence,not to say its never used but to use your terminology its not "high percentage" it can get you more in trouble than it can out of trouble imho,so why re invent the wheel?,i shall wait to see if boxers in the future can prove me wrong by using the said tactics throughout there careers but i think i will wait a long time!,

Respect bro.