using guntings in the ring

[majapahit]

Is it allowed to use guntings in a muay thai /kickboxing fight ? Same question for the JKD low side kick (front kick ) to the thigh ?
I know they judge you on your style in muay thai , but if you can go for a knock out using these techniques ? Or will you be disqualified ? Thanks ,

[Khun Kao]

Whats a gunting? Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the term.

Low Side Kicks are legal, providing they are not a direct attack to the knee. Above and below the knee is fine.

Khun Kao

[swan104]

A gunting can be seen as attacking a limb as a counter to an attack. A example would be to block a hook with one hand whilst driving an elbow into the attackers bicep with the other arm. As with a lot of FMAs, I believe the idea of that comes from the knife, and destroying the limb.

Kun Khao, from looking at that Muay Thai book you posted the URLs to, I believe there is one technique in there that resembles a "gunting". I can't remember what page it was on though.

[terry]

Yep, you can use a gunting in the ring. The Thai kick is the limb destruction that comes out first, followed by the knee. Elbows can get used, but they frequently slip and hit to the face. Obviously, gloves make guntings ineffectual with hands. The interesting place to look for these are in the Muay Charya (bound fist) matches. I haven't noted any in the matches I've watched.

Note the difference between the Thai philosophy of going straight for the primary target while the Filipinos will frequently hit one or two secondary targets on the way in or out.

Finally, there are a number of people out there who don't advise using a empty-handed gunting with the fist against a worthy, determined opponent. The thinking is that it may not do enough damage against someone with a high pain tolerance and in any case requires you to have superiority with respect to controlling distance. I suggest you try it out on an opponent with skill & stature equal to or greater than your own sometime. Then decide for yourself.

Terry

[Khun Kao]

Ah, ok. We simply refer to those techniques as "Weapon Destruction".

They are totally legal. We push kick the thigh to intercept roundhouse kicks, we will knee a persons leg, parry their punches into our elbows, kick them in their arms, etc, etc.

The only rules governing this is that you can't stomp someones knee to break it, and you can't to joint locking moves like an armbar to break their elbow. Other than that, Weapon Destruction is a very integral part of Muay Thai.

For instance, "Breaking the Elephants Tusk" is when you trap and elbow spike someones leg when they kick.

Khun Kao

[yenhoi]

In that MT online manual it details all sorts of what could be considered guntings: elbows to biceps, triceps, shoulder as inside/outside counters to straight punches. It also details skip knees and side knees (to arm or ribs...) as counters vs straight punches.

Not much hand guntings: knuckles to biceps etc, but thats probably because Thai guys wrap their hands or wear gloves.