Right in the balls!!!

[nutter]

Yes. The grey area. Physical intimidation - when someone grabs ahold of you or gets you in a non-submission type hold.

I don't think this warrants deadly force. Just enough to free yourself. If the situation warrants the possibility of escalation into deadly violence (location, further details) you may be able to adjust I suppose.

Face it though, if someone backs you up into the wall, grabs you in some kind of hold and you reverse it, chances are they're not going to backdown when you let loose. Their gonna be more angry than injured.

But you have to make that attempt.

No mate, you just ain't getting it. There is a level of force in between using "just enough to free yourself" and "deadly force", it's called twatting them in the face innit. It's what you do when some geezer is trying to smash your face in right, you know in self defence.

[treelizard]

Can you really feel it if you've got adrenaline running through ya? One guy I know said he was kneed during his blackbelt test and didn't realize it until later. It didn't stop him.

Another concern for me is that most guys *will* flinch or possibly grab your leg making it harder to run away.

But the situation dictates, and his reaction may buy you a second to get away or get in a better position. if I was to go for a groin shot I would definitely use my knee, and go UP as far as I could.

[kingoftheforest]

I voted no. Mechanical compliance, not pain compliance. imo

Well I like to use it in tandem with other things. And most men will flinch when something is directed at their crotch. I don't rely on the crotch shot as any main weapon, just added fun.

[Tom Yum]

BUT, what about the middle ground? Not all SD is someone trying to kill you right.

Yes. The grey area. Physical intimidation - when someone grabs ahold of you or gets you in a non-submission type hold.

I don't think this warrants deadly force. Just enough to free yourself. If the situation warrants the possibility of escalation into deadly violence (location, further details) you may be able to adjust I suppose.

Face it though, if someone backs you up into the wall, grabs you in some kind of hold and you reverse it, chances are they're not going to backdown when you let loose. Their gonna be more angry than injured.

But you have to make that attempt.

[nutter]

I guess no one noticed the part in my quote that said...if you can't tell the diffrence between a self defense situation and little shit....... I meant if you think some guy mouthing off to you or talking shit or anything that to a reasonable person would not mean life or death than that is NOT I repeat NOT and SD situation. if some guy makes eyes at your lady get over it that's not the kinfd of situation I that is me kingoftheforest am talking about.


Now some guy in a parking lot pulls an kinfe on you or charges you screaming than that's an SD situation.

That couldn't be any clearer this time folks. thanks

Mate, you are still making the mistake BoarSpear is guilty of.

Pretty much everyone agrees that fighting for ego isn't SD.

And we all agree that someone pulling a knife on you is life and death SD.


BUT, what about the middle ground? Not all SD is someone trying to kill you right.

[treelizard]

I voted no. Mechanical compliance, not pain compliance. imo

[Tom Yum]

Well said, kingoftheforest.

[kingoftheforest]

Rock heads

I guess no one noticed the part in my quote that said...if you can't tell the diffrence between a self defense situation and little shit....... I meant if you think some guy mouthing off to you or talking shit or anything that to a reasonable person would not mean life or death than that is NOT I repeat NOT and SD situation. if some guy makes eyes at your lady get over it that's not the kinfd of situation I that is me kingoftheforest am talking about.


Now some guy in a parking lot pulls an kinfe on you or charges you screaming than that's an SD situation.

That couldn't be any clearer this time folks. thanks

[nutter]

If you cant separate bar fights and macho squabbles from SD you shouldnt carry weapons...or be out in public ....any altercation CAN turn deadly so you avoid every one, however when the idiot refuses to allow you to retreat to safety....

no mate, you're not making sense here. So if some person takes offense at your ego and tries to cuff you one, you kill them because "any altercation CAN turn deadly" even though chances are it isn't. It ain't all life and death mate, that's just big talking rubbish innit.

[BoarSpear]

I think nutters actually right here......

I know Boarspear and his student are very serious about serious self defense, but whether you like it or not, getting into a "stupid fight" like in a bar or something, because some guy attacks you because you brushed his shoulder is still self defense.

Hes attacking you (whether or not its a "serious" (weapons, friends) situation)hes attacking you, and you are defending yourself, self defense.

If some guy did attack you in that situation, the bar, at a club, just a drunk guy, whatever, doesnt even have to be drunk... your not gonna need to shank him, and then cut out his liver just to make sure hes dead.

If you cant separate bar fights and macho squabbles from SD you shouldnt carry weapons...or be out in public ....any altercation CAN turn deadly so you avoid every one, however when the idiot refuses to allow you to retreat to safety....

[Sagacious Lu]

I think they're one of the best available targets when things are serious. If someone afterwards told me I was dirty for doing it I would smile and thank them sincerely for a very nice compliment. Dirty=Better when it counts

[Garland]

When you talk about ball shots and chokes guys...I think your last concern should be about being careful with the other guy. You use these moves in real fights cause in sports they're a NONO. A properly aplied choke will take an opponent out in short time and I mean out for good.

Do mma fights make "short" chokes illegal? They still allow regular artery chokes....and it would probably be pretty hard to tell the difference unless you were paying incredible attention.

[SamuraiGuy]

I think nutters actually right here......

I know Boarspear and his student are very serious about serious self defense, but whether you like it or not, getting into a "stupid fight" like in a bar or something, because some guy attacks you because you brushed his shoulder is still self defense.

Hes attacking you (whether or not its a "serious" (weapons, friends) situation)hes attacking you, and you are defending yourself, self defense.

If some guy did attack you in that situation, the bar, at a club, just a drunk guy, whatever, doesnt even have to be drunk... your not gonna need to shank him, and then cut out his liver just to make sure hes dead.

[nutter]

I mean if a guy is nice enough to put a gun to my face or stab me to get the $30 in my wallet the right thing to do would be detain him without hurting him.

Sorry try again

No mate, pointing a shooter in your face or stabbing you is CLEARLY full on life or death innit. But what about shoving past you about in a threatening manner, being aggressively lippy right, you'd kill those types too just in case right?

[J-Luck]

Yeah i guess i take that back...I mean if a guy is nice enough to put a gun to my face or stab me to get the $30 in my wallet the right thing to do would be detain him without hurting him.








Sorry try again

First off, I said I'd rather drop someone coming at me, and it is DEFINITLY NOT MY policy. But from a legal standpoint, (and I was saying if possible, under certain circumstances, such as a crowded area) maybe it would be better for some people who are not psycologically inclined towards inflicting massive or even moderate amounts of damage on a person in order to protect themselves, to seek restraint untill help or policy arrive(it will happen quickly in an open, croweded area). And not everyone attacking you has a weapon, though it should always be assumed they do.