Right in the balls!!!

[kingoftheforest]

^I didn't say a mugger with a knife isn't dangerous if they haven't trained in blade work



But they get up and do what everyday. Threathen people with knives/etc for rape/money/etc. If they had to use it, they'd stab/slice/prod. This does not exactly make them masters of their weapons. It builds their willingness to go ahead and do it, but most won't be in the league of people who has trained and mastered blade and weapons arts is all I meant. Best to just get the **** out of there if you can however good you are.

That's my point dude. They do stab people shoot people and beat people. They can't possibly report as these happenings in the paper or news so most go unnoticed if it wasn't you or someone you know. People have been doing this for centuries...just like MA's. I am almost sure there are families somewhere in the world who pass this knowledge along to kids or an apprentice. I don't disagree that people who have no clue do this as well. they just don't do it for long because they get busted too much or die.

[>:)]

^I didn't say a mugger with a knife isn't dangerous if they haven't trained in blade work

I have to disagree. I think most muggins aren't a first time deal for the mugger. Anything like mugging people is training itself. You mug diffrent people and notice who to mug and who to avoid if you stay alive long enough.

These people may not be anyone's text book definiton of a pro...but they get up and do it almost everyday, it's thier paycheck and not that it's right, but it is a proffesion.

But they get up and do what everyday. Threathen people with knives/etc for rape/money/etc. If they had to use it, they'd stab/slice/prod. This does not exactly make them masters of their weapons. It builds their willingness to go ahead and do it, but most won't be in the league of people who has trained and mastered blade and weapons arts is all I meant. Best to just get the **** out of there if you can however good you are.

[Tant01]

Stone crusher grip (like cracking walnuts)

True that... It's like saying "untrained knifers" are not dangerous.

When I brought up the nut crush thing I mentioned Kimura... He was a Judo guy. (Always going for the attachment ) It's not to grip and retain but to grip (CRUSH) and release. A tactic of causing them to slip into the OODA loop. They need a moment to think their second thought about carrying out the attack. It gives you a moment (or two) to initiate your follow up attack. Not a fight ender to bank on or a handle but an attack of sorts on a "vital" target. GI Joe with "Stone Crusher" Grip...

Even a tame cow will kick you if you squeeze a teet too hard...

[kingoftheforest]

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(At a guess) the majority of people willing to attack/mug/threaten you on the street with or without a weapon isn't trained either.

I have to disagree. I think most muggins aren't a first time deal for the mugger. Anything like mugging people is training itself. You mug diffrent people and notice who to mug and who to avoid if you stay alive long enough.

These people may not be anyone's text book definiton of a pro...but they get up and do it almost everyday, it's thier paycheck and not that it's right, but it is a proffesion.

[>:)]

Most people would probably expect an aggressor to start aiming flurries of random punches and haymakers at the head, or bull charge them into some awkard kind of clinch. Atleast over here it seems that way for drunken brawling on a friday or saturday night. I sincerly doubt most guys who got into a street situation would automatically tuck their chin in and get into a decent protective stance. They aren't likely to be a trained fighter.

If they've turned their head away while coming at you, they've made a big mistake!

Most people aren't trained in any kind of combat or self defense. (At a guess) the majority of people willing to attack/mug/threaten you on the street with or without a weapon isn't trained either. It would be pretty easy for a well trained individual who knows his skills/feints/deceptions to provide an opening for himself.

I just brought up an AA grip as it's an better alternative to a groin grab imo. There's plenty of other things to do of course. But if you're close enough for a solid clinch, i'd say you're close enough to perform it on the average joe. It will scare the living shit out of them

[kingoftheforest]

good point. Not that I've ever used it properly (ie. outside of training) but I'd prefer grabbing their adam's apple rather than their balls. They tend to tilt their head back and lose being able to see the oponent and have less chance to swing at you decently than with a groin grab. The arms and head are pretty much free to come back with attacks if someone grabs your groin. The grabber still has the advantage nonetheless imo.

Yes but wouldn't more people be expecting you to go for the throat???

Plus if they turn thier head away while attacking you that could most likely cause you to lean into thier punch while attempting to reach your goal?

[>:)]

good point. Not that I've ever used it properly (ie. outside of training) but I'd prefer grabbing their adam's apple rather than their balls. They tend to tilt their head back and lose being able to see the oponent and have less chance to swing at you decently than with a groin grab. The arms and head are pretty much free to come back with attacks if someone grabs your groin. The grabber still has the advantage nonetheless imo.

[kingoftheforest]

. Maybe a sudden pull or harsh squeeze would stop his brain primilary planning on attacking you back in that particular moment.

While this may be true I have also seen people get f***ed up for grabbong and squeezing someones balls.

Think of it this way..if you grab an animal real hard anywhere and it doesn't want to be touched it will go ape shit on you.

You grab my balls I'm slapping with all I got till you let go b/c I am now aware that the only way to stop the pain is to put you down.

I prfer a sharp smack to the groin right behind a follow up attack.

[>:)]

While that is a good tactic...if you can grab it you can hit several imes in the same period. Plus if you grab you are now attached to your assaliant for a few seconds that may be all he needs right before he losses his nuts that is.

You are attached with the advantage. It's similar to when someone has a strong grip around your adam's apple. You are feeling pain and feel vunerable to death. While the 'grabber' isn't. Maybe a sudden pull or harsh squeeze would stop his brain primilary planning on attacking you back in that particular moment.

[wado_kai]

Don't you guys think that there's an obsesion with groin strikes?
I'm not critisizing this thread or other such threads on this forum - that's a valid self defense/MA discussion topic.
I'm talking about constant groin strikes on TV (I mean, I've even seen this in cartoons and I'm not talking about the violent manga variety) people threatening or bragging about kicking people in the balls. It became very popular in the 80s, some movies would have some sort of groin infliction every 20 minutes or so.
What's causing all this? Is this some sort of anti-masculinity thing?
Would like to hear your thoughts.

that was a bit silly mate, how often have to been punched in the face and laughed it off?? probs quite a few, how many shots in the ball have u ever taken and laughed it off?? probs none. takes less than a second to catch sum1 in the sack but will keep them down for quite a wile, huurts like f@ck, thats why people do it!!

[novicio]

Don't you guys think that there's an obsesion with groin strikes?
I'm not critisizing this thread or other such threads on this forum - that's a valid self defense/MA discussion topic.
I'm talking about constant groin strikes on TV (I mean, I've even seen this in cartoons and I'm not talking about the violent manga variety) people threatening or bragging about kicking people in the balls. It became very popular in the 80s, some movies would have some sort of groin infliction every 20 minutes or so.
What's causing all this? Is this some sort of anti-masculinity thing?
Would like to hear your thoughts.

[treelizard]

TL, it's GB 34

Thanks!!!! I'll look it up.

If I'm going for twenty or thirty knee kicks, one or two of 'em will get in.

[kingoftheforest]

A great Judoka (arguably the best ever) was once known to crush testicles in a SD situation. Not kicking or knee strikes or punching. Just grab a handful and squeeze! His name was Masahiko Kimura.

While that is a good tactic...if you can grab it you can hit several imes in the same period. Plus if you grab you are now attached to your assaliant for a few seconds that may be all he needs right before he losses his nuts that is.

[medic06]

They rarely stand still to let you hit them. A solid punch to the jaw will knock you out but how often does that happen? Fighting is not easy. . .


TL, it's GB 34

[nutter]

GB 34 or 35. I can't remember which but it's a popular one. One good shot there will drop you (it's the one that Thai boxers shoot for)

Well they must be crap then cos they rarely actually drop eachother with those leg kicks right.