Right in the balls!!!

[kingoftheforest]

Nice

Yeah i guess i take that back...I mean if a guy is nice enough to put a gun to my face or stab me to get the $30 in my wallet the right thing to do would be detain him without hurting him.








Sorry try again

[J-Luck]

Depends on the situation. If you're in a crowded area and someon(you don't know them) attacks you, and you are in reasonable fear of them, I'm not sure why you couldn't restrain them. I personally wouldn't let them get up, but I'm sure if you were a very passive person, maybe a restraint untill the cops get there or someone can help you would work?

[nutter]

Remeber self defense is only when you are being threatened...for anyone out there who thinks when we speak of SD we mean starting fights over little shit, then you obviously don't understand the real world.

Nobody i train with starts fights but they are prepared to respond to an attack.
So if you mix up immature your momma trash talk at the monkey bars with what is being discussed here...maybe you should wait till you grow up a little this is grown folks talk.

Any means necessary to survive nobody attacking you is going to give a shit if you make it out alive...why should you care if he does.

So being threatened justifies Self-Defence right mate, and that means a good kick in the bollocks right as said by The BoarSpear right. No half measures, all or nothing innit.

[kingoftheforest]

Sd

Remeber self defense is only when you are being threatened...for anyone out there who thinks when we speak of SD we mean starting fights over little shit, then you obviously don't understand the real world.

Nobody i train with starts fights but they are prepared to respond to an attack.
So if you mix up immature your momma trash talk at the monkey bars with what is being discussed here...maybe you should wait till you grow up a little this is grown folks talk.

Any means necessary to survive nobody attacking you is going to give a shit if you make it out alive...why should you care if he does.

[nutter]

This is SD, not fighting If you have to wonder if you ought to do something, you shouldnt be fighting at all. If you are in a moronic squabble then dont fight at all, thats about who is toughest...that isnt SD. SD is a reaction to stimuli with absolutely NO regard for the other persons welfare...the more damage it does and the faster it ends the confrontation the better i like it.

So avoidance, awareness and conflict management right ain't part of self defence right mate accourding to The BoreSpear right. And when it is physical right, there is no scale of violent response right, it is all or nothing. Guy barges past you in a bar, that's threatening, that's physical, just kick him in the balls, maybe shoot him why not.

[BoarSpear]

Well since this IS the urban combatives forum, stab 'em in the groin

This is SD, not fighting If you have to wonder if you ought to do something, you shouldnt be fighting at all. If you are in a moronic squabble then dont fight at all, thats about who is toughest...that isnt SD. SD is a reaction to stimuli with absolutely NO regard for the other persons welfare...the more damage it does and the faster it ends the confrontation the better i like it.

[Mikeb85]

No. Most hand-to-hand fights I've been around aren't very serious, mostly just bar-brawls... People are usually so drunk they can barely stand let alone fight, not to mention all the bouncers waiting to break it up anyway. Honestly, few people have ever even threatened me on the street, the few that have backed down quickly... If I did get in a serious fight on the street I might consider it, then again I've usually got a weapon on me as well.

[J-Luck]

no i havent been trained in chokes is the answer to your question mate, well not to any great extent, i dont really go for them, do u ever in a fight really . . ?? a "real" fight i mean, everyone just swings at each other, if i do try to tie sum1 up i just do wat feels natural like which is basically ring the buggers neck!! BJJ guys always go on about there grappling and holds on the deck and stuff, the floor is the last place u want to be in a street brawl ( no am not "dissin" it so dont get at me BJJ guys it was more directed at nutter lol)!! the only thing that u shud do wen u go down is get back up!!

anyway this is getting away from my original question, but i'm glad to see there are some bolluck kickers out there the take no shit approach. . .

so ppl can we get back to the poll and stop arguing over how good BJJ is cus that sounds like it gona start agin

Lots of fights end up on the ground. The goal as a grappler is to be on top when that happens.

[J-Luck]

you talking about a choke that constricts the carotid? That's still a long ass time...maybe your shifting some of your pressure onto the shoulders or into the thoracic girdle or some shit...try a short choke with the forearm on the windpipe if you really need the job done...but be careful, it has a slight chance of being lethal (don't ask me...I wouldn't use it unless I absolutely NEEDED to), and may send you to prison.

You want the choke(like a rear naked) to get the arteries, restricted blood flow to the brain is what makes chokes so effective.

[nutter]

no i havent been trained in chokes is the answer to your question mate, well not to any great extent, i dont really go for them, do u ever in a fight really . . ?? a "real" fight i mean, everyone just swings at each other, if i do try to tie sum1 up i just do wat feels natural like which is basically ring the buggers neck!! BJJ guys always go on about there grappling and holds on the deck and stuff, the floor is the last place u want to be in a street brawl ( no am not "dissin" it so dont get at me BJJ guys it was more directed at nutter lol)!! the only thing that u shud do wen u go down is get back up!!

anyway this is getting away from my original question, but i'm glad to see there are some bolluck kickers out there the take no shit approach. . .

so ppl can we get back to the poll and stop arguing over how good BJJ is cus that sounds like it gona start agin

Go and try some BJJ or MMA mate, if you learn an effective clinch game, which to be fair ain't in Wado right, you can avoid that blind swinging crap you said you do in real fights and just choke um out good and proper right. Plenty of standing chokes too.

[wado_kai]

no i havent been trained in chokes is the answer to your question mate, well not to any great extent, i dont really go for them, do u ever in a fight really . . ?? a "real" fight i mean, everyone just swings at each other, if i do try to tie sum1 up i just do wat feels natural like which is basically ring the buggers neck!! BJJ guys always go on about there grappling and holds on the deck and stuff, the floor is the last place u want to be in a street brawl ( no am not "dissin" it so dont get at me BJJ guys it was more directed at nutter lol)!! the only thing that u shud do wen u go down is get back up!!

anyway this is getting away from my original question, but i'm glad to see there are some bolluck kickers out there the take no shit approach. . .

so ppl can we get back to the poll and stop arguing over how good BJJ is cus that sounds like it gona start agin

[nutter]

You use these moves in real fights cause in sports they're a NONO. A properly aplied choke will take an opponent out in short time and I mean out for good.

So the chokes in BJJ, Judo, MMA and sub grappling are not the real deal chokes you should use on the street, right. What are these chokes that are a no no in sports that are quicker and more deadly mate?

[kingoftheforest]

you talking about a choke that constricts the carotid? That's still a long ass time...maybe your shifting some of your pressure onto the shoulders or into the thoracic girdle or some shit...try a short choke with the forearm on the windpipe if you really need the job done...but be careful, it has a slight chance of being lethal (don't ask me...I wouldn't use it unless I absolutely NEEDED to), and may send you to prison.

When you talk about ball shots and chokes guys...I think your last concern should be about being careful with the other guy. You use these moves in real fights cause in sports they're a NONO. A properly aplied choke will take an opponent out in short time and I mean out for good.

[Garland]

well said kid eternity ... don't piss about nutter??? lol i thinks its easier to square boot a boy in the clemmies than TRY an get sum weird reverse overhead locking thing on him then wait for for 5min till he passes out dont you?

some people say its dirty. . i say its effective!

you talking about a choke that constricts the carotid? That's still a long ass time...maybe your shifting some of your pressure onto the shoulders or into the thoracic girdle or some shit...try a short choke with the forearm on the windpipe if you really need the job done...but be careful, it has a slight chance of being lethal (don't ask me...I wouldn't use it unless I absolutely NEEDED to), and may send you to prison.

[Garland]

I've done it quite a few times on accident with training in the prummb and in a sanctioned fight. (of course I think it didn't land that time on the mark...I think he milked it for some rest time when I nailed him in the perineum.)

I've done it on purpose in fights...and I'd do it again, multiple times if the target is open to me.