Which grappling art should I do?

[J-Luck]

the first half this is a fair representation of grappling a knifer...the second half is why armed is best...

http://user21165.websitewizard.com/f.../GRAPKNIFE.mov

I didn't say it would be better to be unarmed and grapple, but not everyone carries so it's not always an option. True, knife v no knife = no good. But, I would rather no how to defend against it with bare hands in case i had NO CHOICE... good point though.

[J-Luck]

Grappling range with armed attacker(s) = BLOODY MESS.

But don't take MY word on it!

Well the weird thing about that is I've fout off people with knives before, in fact in 2 situations... so I know personally what has and hasn't worked... but my post didn't state that it would be wise to grapple with someone with a knife.... so you're putting words in my mouth . There are grappling techniques that work against knives, and there are striking techniqes...

[Tant01]

Do tell Mr. Experience...

Well the weird thing about that is I've fou(gh)t off people with knives before, in fact in 2 situations... so I know personally what has and hasn't worked... but my post didn't state that it would be wise to grapple with someone with a knife.... so you're putting words in my mouth ....

I'm doing no such thing! I urge folks to think REALISTICALLY about dealing with armed attackers. Distance/ shield/ barriers are safer that trying to close the gap and grapple. If THEY close the gap you need to know how to ATTACK or pass and CONTROL the weapon hand. Sometimes that means being in grappling range... Sometimes the grapple comes to you. But you're not WRESTLING the attacker you attacking the attacker or his weapon hand/arm.
Those two situations you mention involve any injuries? Barriers? (keeping something between yourself and the attacker?) Running? Evasion? Grappling over the knife? Get your hand or fingers cut? Legs? Or "by the book" disarms? Please, tell us about it!

[J-Luck]

I'm doing no such thing! I urge folks to think REALISTICALLY about dealing with armed attackers. Distance/ shield/ barriers are safer that trying to close the gap and grapple. If THEY close the gap you need to know how to ATTACK or pass and CONTROL the weapon hand. Sometimes that means being in grappling range... Sometimes the grapple comes to you. But you're not WRESTLING the attacker you attacking the attacker or his weapon hand/arm.
Those two situations you mention involve any injuries? Barriers? (keeping something between yourself and the attacker?) Running? Evasion? Grappling over the knife? Get your hand or fingers cut? Legs? Or "by the book" disarms? Please, tell us about it!

First of all... as I said earlier... my post didn't suggest the person had a weapon.

That being said I think grappling and striking have their part in disarming an armed attacker, in my two situations I had no prior martial arts training, my only training was in the streets. In both situations I attacked the hand with the knife, making sure to keep it away from myself, most people with a knife wont even pay attention to their other weapons even as you're taking theirs away or stabing them. Though, I don't think my way back then was the safest way, I'm still here so I guess it wasn't all that bad. I have a small cut on my left wrist from where I broke his wrist and the knife flung out of his hand into my wrist. The wrist is a dangerous spot to have cut, but I wasn't cut, more of a small scratch, the force wasn't enough to do serious damage. I'm really not qualified to speak on weapon defense though. I hope to train in it much more though. All I know is that with blunt objects such as bats you want to get as close as possible to nullify the effect of the swing, and with knives you want to get the knife out of their hand...

[J-Luck]

By the way, I've been confronted with knives or with getting jumped plenty of time... and to be honest, most of the time, i bounced and didn't look back.

[SwissPrecision]

@Warrior189: If you are thinking of SD I would take Tant01's advice and go for a weapon art (knife & escrima stick, in my point).
If you want to learn grappling for your over-all fighting, that's ok. But first, what is your MA background ? I would take judo, because, in my opinion, it tends to 'blend in' better with striking arts.

[Tant01]

[I...... I would take judo, because, in my opinion, it tends to 'blend in' better with striking arts.

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[fleetgunz]

first, i would read two books as the techniques in them are PROVEN...in real world situations...first GET TOUGH by L.E Fairbairn and KILL OR GET KILLED by Rex Appelgate..I said to read them first because those techniques are still taught in one way or another by a lot of different sd/h2h/ma for sd. they will give you an overview of the skills that you should probibly have and they are a good measureing stick to use when you go shopping around for a place to train. better still if there is someone that can train you in those techniques then you will have a good basic skill set and can perfect different arts later..

[Tant01]

first, i would read two books as the techniques in them are PROVEN...in real world situations...first GET TOUGH by L.E Fairbairn and KILL OR GET KILLED by Rex Appelgate..I said to read them first because those techniques are still taught in one way or another by a lot of different sd/h2h/ma for sd. they will give you an overview of the skills that you should probibly have and they are a good measureing stick to use when you go shopping around for a place to train. better still if there is someone that can train you in those techniques then you will have a good basic skill set and can perfect different arts later..

first GET TOUGH by W*.E Fairbairn ... Typo.

[fleetgunz]

sorry i did not proof my post.

[lionleo]

Why is Dumog not Included in the choices? I do dumog and it's pretty interesteng to see the similarities and the huge difference it posess compared to the more famous ones.

[jubaji]

I wonder what the guy who started this thread finally decided on...

[Balo]

pankration does exist today. The names used to be trendy, but does not represent the original olympic sport.

I would choose BJJ or Sambo or catch as catch can sumbission wrestling (i'm from lancashire)

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

for self defense..... you need practice defending yourself.... that is, a place that routinely places you in the position of being attacked by groups or weapon wielders.

tonyblauer used to have a school in toronto that specialized in this (chufendo). there may be similar things in new york.

also, raphaelkayanan (called sunhelmet here). if you insist on grappling, your obvious choices are renzogracie, stephenkoepfer or marcossantos.

oh, just remembered, davidrudman used to run a place the did grappling, weapons, striking, two on one, three on one, etc. will try to find the name. it still operates (wanna say it is called the fight house, but this might be wrong).

thanks.

[Uke]

I wonder what the guy who started this thread finally decided on...

I'm sure it wasn't Denny's parking lot styled wrestling. He'll probably just avoid getting smacked in the mouth and he'll be fine.