Which grappling art should I do?

[aware]

Street applicable grappling art

A solid Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu base can increase your chances of surviving/winning a no rules street fight, if this fight is with no weapons and is against one person. Gi Jiu Jitsu/ no gi jiu-jitsu and even more mma style BJJ has some techniques that can end the fight on the street. The biggest differences from an offensive and defensive standpoint are awareness of eye gouging, biting, groin grabs and strikes, and even slams and takedowns on concrete that can severely damage a human body. There are some techniques in BJJ that work great, but leave you wide open for even the most untrained attacker to simply shove a thumb or fingers into your eyes which will force you to release the technique and protect or possibly suffer tremendous eye damage. There are some techniques in BJJ that tie up another's limbs so much so that he has no offensive capability whatsoever. Use your head when training, and realize what leaves you open, and what doesn't. Gear your own mind toward vicious maneuvers when your life depends on it. No rules works two ways.

[mellow]

The point is this entire arguement is based on each individual's perception and definition of what "grappling" is


grap⋅ple   /ˈgræpəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [grap-uhl] Show IPA verb, -pled, -pling, noun
–verb (used without object) 1. to hold or make fast to something, as with a grapple.
2. to use a grapple.
3. to seize another, or each other, in a firm grip, as in wrestling; clinch.
4. to engage in a struggle or close encounter (usually fol. by with): He was grappling with a boy twice his size.
5. to try to overcome or deal (usually fol. by with): to grapple with a problem.

–verb (used with object) 6. to seize, hold, or fasten with or as with a grapple.
7. to seize in a grip, take hold of: The thug grappled him around the neck.

–noun 8. a hook or an iron instrument by which one thing, as a ship, fastens onto another; grapnel.
9. a seizing or gripping.
10. a grip or close hold in wrestling or hand-to-hand fighting.
11. a close, hand-to-hand fight.


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Origin:
1520–30; appar. a freq. of OE gegrǣppian to seize; associated with grapnel

[scb]

Originally this post was just to help develop my fighting, but since what happened yesterday I want it to help in the streets too.Since I already asked from the people from MMA & BJJ forum I want to know what you think.

I need help finding a good grappling art, but don't know what to chose from. So can I hear any opinion on any and can anyone tell me where i can find one in NYC.

judo........................

[blanker]

I think I'm agreeing with you that the thai clinch is an example of grappling that is not meant to transition to ground fighting- the goal is a KO not a take-down. If the person's unconscious the fight is over; unless of course you want to hurt them more while they're out but that isn't self-defense.

you have to remember that clinch work in the west is stone age compared to the thai's. we seem to think that it only consists of what you could call the classic thai clinch where you have double collar ties which is a good position if you can break your oponent down but there are loads of other positions. collar and bicep is better for example.

[Sagacious Lu]

my point is lots of ko happen from the clinch, whats yours

I think I'm agreeing with you that the thai clinch is an example of grappling that is not meant to transition to ground fighting- the goal is a KO not a take-down. If the person's unconscious the fight is over; unless of course you want to hurt them more while they're out but that isn't self-defense.

[blanker]

my point is lots of ko happen from the clinch, whats yours

[Sagacious Lu]

Unless you plan on holding them up after knocking them out, someone will hit the ground

What's your point? If they're out cold they aren't fighting.

[mellow]

you could say the same for striking or even shooting someone with a sniper rifle by that logic.

Yep, majority of fights go to the ground

[blanker]

that was sort of my point lol people get ko'ed from the clinch all the time dosnt really matter if you have a grip on someone or not hit them right and there soing to see stars.

[kingoftheforest]

you could say the same for striking or even shooting someone with a sniper rifle by that logic.

You could if you like to really stretch the definition of logic.

[blanker]

Unless you plan on holding them up after knocking them out, someone will hit the ground :coo:

you could say the same for striking or even shooting someone with a sniper rifle by that logic.

[mellow]

not watched alot of mauy thai then?

Unless you plan on holding them up after knocking them out, someone will hit the ground

[blanker]

Please enlighten us as to what the main objective of a standing grapple is. To my knowledge it is to place your opponent on the ground.

Ergo it is synonymous with ground fighting. I personally have never seen an altercation in the ring or in the street that started with standing grappling and didn't end on the ground.

not watched alot of mauy thai then?

[jubaji]

Maybe that's why you're not doing so well.

[knifethrower]

Now at least that showed some effort. You can still do better though.

Effort? It doesn't feel like it. Interacting with you is fun