The Brutality of it...

[treelizard]

I said that it attracts the type of people who are more likely to get in fights...dumb people who get frustrated by their lack of ability to comprehend the world around them so they resort to violence...

So maybe you're training with the wrong people if you think they are dumb people who get frustrated by their lack of ability to comprehend the world around them so they resort to violence. Do you consider yourself one of them, since you train with them?

Doesn't necessarily mean self-defense...just think about the last obnoxious tatooed loudmouth skinhead punk you saw. He's the kind of guy who's body language/characteristics screams "I'm looking for a fight." And at some point...somebody might decide to take him up on that non-verbal offer.

Agreed. But most people I know who train are the ones who will, say, cross the street when they see the obnoxious tattooed loudmouth skinhead punk.

I guess it depends who you train with.

[BoarSpear]

The impression that I get from this story is that in person you're so surly (paranoid delusions maybe?) that you wouldn't answer a polite question like "Can you tell me how to get to Broad St. from here?" My intention isn't to attack you personally, but it seems to me that training regularly can give some people a warped view that makes them suspicious of ordinary, harmless situations, which to me is sad.

You win first prize Sag....

[BoarSpear]

Okay Treelizard, what you need to do is go get your Hooked On Phonics workbook, flip to the chapter called "Reading Comprehension" and do the phuckin exercises...because you're obviously having some difficulty in that area.

I said that it attracts the type of people who are more likely to get in fights...dumb people who get frustrated by their lack of ability to comprehend the world around them so they resort to violence...basically morons like you.

And let me rephrase the quote and put in language that you might be able to understand....shitty people have shitty lives.

How the hell you imbeciles manage to use a computer is mystifying...

I almost ignored this thread due to the posters involved and the whining BS certain to follow, glad I checked in, that made my day.

[treelizard]

And btw Sag, I hear you on the martial artists with paranoid delusions bit, and I totally see what you're saying because I see it on this forum all the time.

I do give people directions all the time but if, say, a group of five guys want directions late at night when I'm by myself, they may just have to go into one of the well-lit bars or restaraunts because I'm biking away. I'd rather err on the side of avoiding harmless situations than walking into a trap.

[Garland]

I bet many women you know have been assaulted too but just aren't telling you about it. I think the stats are now 1 in 6 women, and I bet it's much higher than that since so many assaults are unreported.

1 in 5 women in my state have been forcibly RAPED within their lifetime...and these are the people that actually came forward for a survey in a conservative and religiously domineered enviornment (i.e. more pressure to keep it secret)

http://2thinkforums.org/anyboard/posts/24477.html

[treelizard]

1 in 5 women in my state have been forcibly RAPED within their lifetime...and these are the people that actually came forward for a survey in a conservative and religiously domineered enviornment (i.e. more pressure to keep it secret)

http://2thinkforums.org/anyboard/posts/24477.html

I got my stats from http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html but there are different stats out there...

[Garland]

Doesn't necessarily mean self-defense...just think about the last obnoxious tatooed loudmouth skinhead punk you saw. He's the kind of guy who's body language/characteristics screams "I'm looking for a fight." And at some point...somebody might decide to take him up on that non-verbal offer.

Usually that fucker might take you up on the offer first...



or he might be a big pussy cat.
I've met both types.

[treelizard]

And with that being the case, I still say that proper mindset and awareness (attitude) training is far more important than any amount of martial arts.

Agreed--but wouldn't MA help with mindset and awareness?

[Sagacious Lu]

And btw Sag, I hear you on the martial artists with paranoid delusions bit, and I totally see what you're saying because I see it on this forum all the time.

I do give people directions all the time but if, say, a group of five guys want directions late at night when I'm by myself, they may just have to go into one of the well-lit bars or restaraunts because I'm biking away. I'd rather err on the side of avoiding harmless situations than walking into a trap.

LOL... Fair enough, I'm just trying to put things in perspective. I don't remember what thread it was in but I remember someone told you not to do anything you wouldn't want a 6 year old doing. When I read that I was like "WTF... so does that mean I should ask my mommy for permission every time I'm in the mood for a chocolate chip cookie " There is such a thing as overkill.

BTW... crossing the street shows fear, which IMHO is more likely to cause problems than avoid it. If someone's really out to get you crossing the street isn't going to change anything, but if it's just a guy with a chip on his shoulder than you just gave him the excuse he needed to give you a piece of his mind. I've seen the gutter punks in Jackson Square do exactly that- it was actually pretty funny because although I knew they were harmless the tourists they started making fun of looked like they loaded their pants Just my $.02.

[BoarSpear]

And with that being the case, I still say that proper mindset and awareness (attitude) training is far more important than any amount of martial arts.

Agreed 100 percent, but I've yet to see an MMA school that instilled those qualities....Does fairtex teach those qualities?

[treelizard]

LOL... Fair enough, I'm just trying to put things in perspective. I don't remember what thread it was in but I remember someone told you not to do anything you wouldn't want a 6 year old doing. When I read that I was like "WTF... so does that mean I should ask my mommy for permission every time I'm in the mood for a chocolate chip cookie " There is such a thing as overkill.

Actually in that thread I was making fun of the people who taught me that. I'll find the post.

BTW... crossing the street shows fear, which IMHO is more likely to cause problems than avoid it. If someone's really out to get you crossing the street isn't going to change anything, but if it's just a guy with a chip on his shoulder than you just gave him the excuse he needed to give you a piece of his mind. I've seen the gutter punks in Jackson Square do exactly that- it was actually pretty funny because although I knew they were harmless the tourists they started making fun of looked like they loaded their pants Just my $.02.

Them not crossing the street means that if I had kept walking I would've closed the distance. They crossed when they realized I wasn't going to do that, I was just standing there.

[Sagacious Lu]

Actually in that thread I was making fun of the people who taught me that. I'll find the post.



Them not crossing the street means that if I had kept walking I would've closed the distance. They crossed when they realized I wasn't going to do that, I was just standing there.

Sorry for the confustion, I was responding to this quote:

Agreed. But most people I know who train are the ones who will, say, cross the street when they see the obnoxious tattooed loudmouth skinhead punk.

[Garland]

Agreed 100 percent, but I've yet to see an MMA school that instilled those qualities....Does fairtex teach those qualities?

you don't have to say it...I know where you're going with that...and it could easily have happened to a combatives person too if they got heated and had a lapse of judgement at the wrong time.

(I could see you drunk off cabo wabo running after somebody if you walked out side and saw them driving off in your car)

MMA and MT schools teach you to actually fight, it teaches you a lot more about practicality and how to apply stuff you learned then anything...that's why sportive stuff is useful! As for being aware...yeah, probably not as much there, but neither do most MA's, unless they're RBSD...even some combatives courses overlook that important, common freakin' sense aspect, because they're too busy on specialized training.

I believe, honestly, that taking a combat sport will help you become a better fighter in a fight for your life then taking combatives alone. Supplementing your art with the MMA or Muay or Judo, etc...will help you, boary boy...I know it's late to teach an old dog new tricks...but I think you would benefit from it, maybe learn a thing or two that fits in with what you're already doing, eh???

[treelizard]

First of all I found my original quote about not doing anything you wouldn't want a third grader to do.

I wanted to add though that the majority of pre-fight information I've gotten in SD classes is absolutely unrealistic in real life. Not because it's stuff people CAN'T do, but because it's stuff people WON'T do. For example, I had one instructor tell me once not to do anything that I wouldn't ask a third grader to do. One woman in a class was talking about getting followed once when she went to drop some mail at the post office, mid-day. The instructor said "Would you ask a third grader to go walking around downtown Tucson, dropping off mail?" Of course not. But there's only one problem with this equation... she wasn't a third grader.

The idea of stringently avoiding any risks at all is often espoused and it's completely unrealistic to assume that a group of people is going to suddenly stop walking or cycling anywhere, drive everywhere with doors locked and be escorted by multiple people at all times. I wish they had different degrees of risk and talked more about risk assessment instead of telling people to treat themselves like third graders.

As far as crossing the street--if I think someone is following me, I'll cross the street. That way if they continue to follow me, I'll respond appropriately. Would you rather people just ignore their intuition and see what happens? I can certainly understand the value of retaining objectivity and not feeling afraid of a bunch of perceived threats that don't exist. But in reality, many people are more likely to keep second-guessing themselves when there really IS a threat and end up in a bad situation.

[BoarSpear]

you don't have to say it...I know where you're going with that...and it could easily have happened to a combatives person too if they got heated and had a lapse of judgement at the wrong time.

(I could see you drunk off cabo wabo running after somebody if you walked out side and saw them driving off in your car)

MMA and MT schools teach you to actually fight, it teaches you a lot more about practicality and how to apply stuff you learned then anything...that's why sportive stuff is useful! As for being aware...yeah, probably not as much there, but neither do most MA's, unless they're RBSD...even some combatives courses overlook that important, common freakin' sense aspect, because they're too busy on specialized training.

I believe, honestly, that taking a combat sport will help you become a better fighter in a fight for your life then taking combatives alone. Supplementing your art with the MMA or Muay or Judo, etc...will help you, boary boy...I know it's late to teach an old dog new tricks...but I think you would benefit from it, maybe learn a thing or two that fits in with what you're already doing, eh???

I grew up doing JJJ, wrestling and boxing in the 1960's the only thing I no longer train is the boxing And you're wrong, I wont lose my head and thus my life because the people who trained me explained that people arent bullet proof...striking stances, tattoos, haircuts and clothing that tell the world you're a baddass also tell us you're a dumbass who likes painting targets on himself. I've been in multiple situations where acting like the baddass would have gotten me killed...see reality training emphasizes that while the average idiot is only looking to beat you up and put his foot on your chest all macho like, those altercations can usually be avoided. While the lunitic willing to kill you for 5 bucks or an imagined transgression cant...and the two require different skills to deal with them. When you are taught the potential outcome of EVERY fight is court and the hospital or morgue for everyone involved you take matters a little more seriously....go ahead hit my car...I'll cuss and call the insurance people AFTER class is over..I damn sure wont chase you down the street in my training gear...thats a big sign saying look I'm a pissed off Martial artist coming to kick your ass...it also says you live in a non reality world where you can teach people a lesson for offending the mighty ring warrior....that attitude is called a mind set...that mind set was "I'm a MMA god and I have all the tools I need to fix that idiot" He was wrong..DEAD wrong sports are just that, remember that the next time you go to teach a non sport player a life lesson.