Anti-Grappling

[jubaji]

Let's look at what responses you could muster and see exactly the response my stupid questions warranted.

Yeah that's good on you alright...

[Uke]

Grappling is every bit as much an essential element of NHB competitions (although they are not as 'precious' to me as you seem to think, asswipe).

Whoever said that ground grappling wasn't an essential element of NHB? You making a case for something not even in contention. I hear that's what people do when they've reached the limit of their knowledge of subject matter and need to "bullshit" their way through a discussion.

Competitors are doing better with and in the grappling range because for a long time now it has been very obvious that it is essential to train that range seriously and realistically. Serious competitors have for a long time now devoted a great amount of time and energy to learning, training, and testing their grappling skills because it is so obvious that they need them.

First off, competitors aren't training that range realistically because ground submission wrestling isn't realistic. Its a sport, spanky. And just because a man studies enough grappling and counter-striking in preparation for a NHB bout doesn't mean that he's spent more than a solid couple of months working with coaches on sprawling, striking with knees to counter shoots using well placed punches when a fighter tries to close the distance to clinch. Learning to reverse armbars and chokes doesn't require the technical genius that you claim it does. It just requires a good coach that has his basics down and can instruct a fighter on how to break free, reverse or counter. Its much more difficult to keep a man in your submission than it is to escape one. Of course YOU didn't know that!

I'm sorry that this reality is the exact opposite of what your weak spineless dream hoped it would be.

What reality? You're speaking about sporting events, idiot. Anti-grappling isn't even a movement used in NHB, but the parallels to grappling's declining effectiveness apply. Newaza as sport combat was only dominant as long as most people didn't know anything about it. Its no longer a secret to the general public and THAT'S why you see ground grappler's losing left and right. People know what to look for. The jig is up, Bunny! Ken Shamrock immediately showed how ineffective ground grappling was in his very next match against Royce Gracie by simply stalling. He realized that if he didn't make any mistakes that there was little that a guy looking for submissions could do. He also showed that he could keep his opponent supine and ineffective for over 15 minutes.

Shamrock then did the same to Severn, who sought ground combat, by catching him closing in and choked him out. Yet another example of how anti-grappling shut down another potential ground grappling attempt.

Mo Smith caught Conan trying to close the distance: Something Smith KNEW Conan would do because that's what ground grapplers do! That kick wasn't grappling by the way.

I wish you had more sense and knowledge so I could further embarrass you, but as it is it looks like I'm picking on you now.

Pathetic.

[Uke]

Well, that was exactly what we all knew was coming...

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I'd say this is more effort than an actual reply to his crap is worth, Nice Job Uke.

Well believe it or not Boar, that moron represents a lot of mislead people out there who have bought into the Gracie propaganda. They feel as though you can only successfully defend against "ground n' slow dance" by rolling around on the floor yourself. I've been getting a lot of positive feedback about this topic. People interested in SD are realizing that they were tailoring their training in grappling to a greater degree than necessary.

Anti-grappling does everything a SD practitioner requires: Defends takedowns. Defends the shoot. Reverses submissions and chokes and escapes the mount position.

For too long its been said that you've got to be a BJJ player to competently do those things. This topic pointed out several reasons why that isn't true. It gave plenty of facts to support those reasons, and people are beginning to take into consideration these points while examining towards what end they really wish to be proficient at.

Some people got some insight and I got to beat up Bunny a little bit more. All in all I'd say it was a good day!

[BoarSpear]

only dominant as long as most people didn't know anything about it. Its no longer a secret to the general public and THAT'S why you see ground grappler's losing left and right. People know what to look for. The jig is up, Bunny! Ken Shamrock immediately showed how ineffective ground grappling was in his very next match against Royce Gracie by simply stalling. He realized that if he didn't make any mistakes that there was little that a guy looking for submissions could do. He also showed that he could keep his opponent supine and ineffective for over 15 minutes.

I mentioned several thousand post ago that Helio didnt do his family a favor by showing their variation of JJJ to the general public, in fact he screwed them for 5 minutes of fame in the long run of Martial arts...Some people understood the ground game before and they had an advantage, now its just the tool everyone tries to use for any job...

[medic06]

Well believe it or not Boar, that moron represents a lot of mislead people out there who have bought into the Gracie propaganda. They feel as though you can only successfully defend against "ground n' slow dance" by rolling around on the floor yourself. I've been getting a lot of positive feedback about this topic. People interested in SD are realizing that they were tailoring their training in grappling to a greater degree than necessary.

Anti-grappling does everything a SD practitioner requires: Defends takedowns. Defends the shoot. Reverses submissions and chokes and escapes the mount position.

For too long its been said that you've got to be a BJJ player to competently do those things. This topic pointed out several reasons why that isn't true. It gave plenty of facts to support those reasons, and people are beginning to take into consideration these points while examining towards what end they really wish to be proficient at.

Some people got some insight and I got to beat up Bunny a little bit more. All in all I'd say it was a good day!

He has nearly 10 times your number of post UKE.

[Yessir]

(I haven't read a single post to the end in this thread)

Hmm, anti grappling.

I, my self, call this(anti grappling) evasive footwork and striking.

Everything where you have continueus(spelling+) contact with your opponent is grappling in my book, even the clinch(horizontal grappling).

A sprawl is a part of grappling(admitted it is a technique used to get out of grappling, but if you agree on this you agree that this is grapling, thus grappling IMO)

[knifethrower]

That would depend on the circumstances not, as in your case, on what slogan was printed on my t-shirt.

If you need a t-shirt, we could always print you up one

…it could read…

"B.U.N.N.Y."(Beat Up Ninjas Near You)

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[jubaji]

Whoever said that ground grappling wasn't an essential element of NHB?

Let's look at the whole context of the quote, fraud:

why not explain why grapplers are no longer the dominant force in your precious NHB tournaments?

To which I replied:

"Grappling is every bit as much an essential element of NHB competitions (although they are not as 'precious' to me as you seem to think, asswipe). Competitors are doing better with and in the grappling range because for a long time now it has been very obvious that it is essential to train that range seriously and realistically. Serious competitors have for a long time now devoted a great amount of time and energy to learning, training, and testing their grappling skills because it is so obvious that they need them.

I'm sorry that this reality is the exact opposite of what your weak spineless dream hoped it would be."


You're not even good at misrepresenting your own comments. You suck at everything.

[jubaji]

First off, competitors aren't training that range realistically because ground submission wrestling isn't realistic. .

Was your cult-leader getting on your case for not repeating that mantra often enough lately? Better meet your quotas or they'll take away your t-shirt.

[jubaji]

Anti-grappling does everything a SD practitioner requires:

Yeah, convinces them that they can avoid their weaknesses and shortcomings, not by working hard at strengthening their skills in all areas, but by simply believing in a catch-phrase and swallowing a false sense of accomplishment. You're right it covers the 'kidding yourself' range very well.

[jubaji]

And just because a man studies enough grappling and counter-striking in preparation for a NHB bout doesn't mean that he's spent more than a solid couple of months working with coaches on sprawling, striking with knees to counter shoots using well placed punches when a fighter tries to close the distance to clinch. .

Wrong again, chump. Competitors at the top level of NHB competitions (now he'll say "I'm talkin' about reality, man!" as he switches back and forth in context as it suits him ) have for years now recognized the need for strong skills in all ranges and have been training all those ranges long, hard, and without regard for sloganeers like yourself. Just because you can't or won't address your weaknesses and fears doesn't make it reality.

(and now, of course, we'll start playing 'rule' and 'exception,' another favorite ploy of teamBoring)

[jubaji]

Newaza as sport combat was only dominant as long as most people didn't know anything about it. Its no longer a secret to the general public and THAT'S why you see ground grappler's losing left and right. .

Actually, what you 'see' is that there are no fighters at the top levels of competition who are one dimensional anymore. People (which excludes you) have long recognized the need to build their skills at all ranges and the overall level of competition is rising, which is good for the sport.

[jubaji]

Shamrock then did the same to Severn, who sought ground combat, by catching him closing in and choked him out. Yet another example of .

yet another example of GRAPPLING, you fuckin' idiot.

[jubaji]

grow up kid

I wish you had more sense and knowledge so I could further embarrass you, but as it is it looks like I'm picking on you now.

Yeah, that's just what it looks like

You gonna put your hat on sideways and start shouting "Pwnd! Pwnd! omg Pwnd! Oh you got served! You got so served!" now? Talk about pathetic. Unless you are a teenager, you ought to smack yourself in the head for this embarrassing display of "Ah ownd y'all!" idiocy.

[jubaji]

Mo Smith caught Conan trying to close the distance: Something Smith KNEW Conan would do because that's what grapplers do! That kick wasn't grappling by the way.

No, that was 'striking,' see how simple that is?