advantage over grapplers

[jubaji]

Now THAT is good advice.

[Nicodemus]

If you don't have any grappling schools close enough to train at try to get some training time in with some wrestlers. IMO the bigger half of the battle with grapplers is gaining positional advantage.

I am more of a combatives guy than anyone else so when rolling with BJJ or other grappling guys they get a little taken aback by the groin, throat and eye strikes and digging my fingers into sensitive areas of the body. Though I do train submission wrestling/Jui Jitsu to be able to understand what my opponent is trying to do and avoid, reverse or exploit it.

Learn the positions Guard, Mount, Side Control...Etc....then learn how to keep someone there, sweep, stand back up....etc....and go up the ladder from there.

Like mentioned above I am not a big fan of grappling for self defense not only for the tactical reasons but on the street your going to get pinched, gouged, Kneed, elbowed....etc. by someone who is in the mindset to hurt you at all costs.

[black knife]

If you don't have any grappling schools close enough to train at try to get some training time in with some wrestlers. IMO the bigger half of the battle with grapplers is gaining positional advantage.

I am more of a combatives guy than anyone else so when rolling with BJJ or other grappling guys they get a little taken aback by the groin, throat and eye strikes and digging my fingers into sensitive areas of the body. Though I do train submission wrestling/Jui Jitsu to be able to understand what my opponent is trying to do and avoid, reverse or exploit it.

Learn the positions Guard, Mount, Side Control...Etc....then learn how to keep someone there, sweep, stand back up....etc....and go up the ladder from there.

Like mentioned above I am not a big fan of grappling for self defense not only for the tactical reasons but on the street your going to get pinched, gouged, Kneed, elbowed....etc. by someone who is in the mindset to hurt you at all costs.

I have been in alot of street fights and I have never had anyone grab my nuts or try to stick their fingers in my eyes. If they did I would do the same thing back to them plus break their arm. These tactics are last resort moves that usually don't work....

[kingoftheforest]

I have been in alot of street fights and I have never had anyone grab my nuts or try to stick their fingers in my eyes. If they did I would do the same thing back to them plus break their arm. These tactics are last resort moves that usually don't work....

Actually these do work. but they should be incidental. Your not aiming to put your finger in the eye, but a proper palm strike to the face usually involves and accidental eye poke.

I knew a guy who liked to stomp kick to the, gut then drag his foot down like he was stepping on stairs. It almost always caught the other guys nut sack on the end of his boot.

If not it still drove the person to the ground.

[frugalguy]

Hey you have 12 pages of comments so I didn't bother reading them all but from what I could read your original question wasn't answered. I grapple but am by no means great; however, I would say learn to "sprawl" and learn to squat if someone's doing a shoulder/hip throw or learn to base out with your hands on your opponent's hips if they're coming in and not going for a double/single-leg take down. I'm sure you can Youtube this information to see what these things look like. Hope that helps.

[Uke]

I have been in alot of street fights and I have never had anyone grab my nuts or try to stick their fingers in my eyes. If they did I would do the same thing back to them plus break their arm. These tactics are last resort moves that usually don't work....

Those tactics definitely do work if you use them intelligently.

Alot of people who haven't trained and have only seen eye gouges and nut shots in movies thing that those tactics are meant to "arrest" or "control" an attacker. You poke an eye for a distraction or "shock". You punch, smack or kick nuts to stun an opponent. You don't stand there squeezing a man's balls as a means to hold him there until the cops come.

Those tactics as shocks and stuns are VERY valuable. Once you have your man sufficiently distracted you can now attempt more committed attacks that use more power. I don't care who you are if I poke you in the eye then you will flinch and lose your focus for a moment. And a moment is all you need to follow up with another attack.

[jubaji]

Unless the two opponents are rather closely matched that is not great advice, though it can sometimes work out like that.

[JKDnewsletter1]

Hmmm…. Besides learning weapons? Lol. Control range is my advice. Set a perimeter with your punches and kicks. I would also practice counters to takedowns, so if one does get in, you can immediately launch your attack.

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[First Action]

The obvious answer would be to not grapple them ie keep your distance and 'box them'. Stick and move. However, groundfighting and grappling are very important to have in your skill-set as a good grappler (or any well rounded fighter) will know if he is disadvantaged when standing and will take the fighti to the ground. Take a few shoot wrestling classes, or brazillian ju-jitsu, or even better, train in MMA for a few months. Sure its a sport but the stand up/grappling/ground fighting combination is great... and its wicked fitness.

[jubaji]

Take a few shoot wrestling classes.

Oh, just a few...?

[First Action]

Oh, just a few...?

LOL, my mistake... perhaps more than just a few.... maybe a few months worth would be a better describer

[Da Pope]

My advice if you cant find a grappling class is get a decent BJJ DVD and a friend to train with. Its not ideal but I know at a few people that have given this approach a good honest try and prooved themselves pretty good grapplers when they have found a class. I know one guy that was awarded a BJJ purple belt who took this approach (anybody who has studied BJJ will know that this is my no means an easy thing to do)

I do agree going to the ground ainta good thing but if you should end up there.........

Oh and this ...

Smearing dirt on his eyes, fish hooks, small joint manipulation, pinching, biting, etc.

.....is bullshit.

One of the places I train, one of the students is entering a full contact NHB event soon and we are putting him through the mill. He tried allsorts of small digit manipulations pinching n biting, he got subbed everytime. Lesson - dont wate your time with that bullshit.

[kingoftheforest]

One of the places I train, one of the students is entering a full contact NHB event soon and we are putting him through the mill. He tried allsorts of small digit manipulations pinching n biting, he got subbed everytime. Lesson - dont wate your time with that bullshit.

Wow, I actually agree with something you said lol.

Small joint manipulations just let the opponent know where to strike. And the mechanics are a bit much.

Fish hooking is just a good way to lose a finger. Eye gouges are incidental. You don't try for it, it just happens.
You need to make yourself aware of what options may come up by chance.

Biting when done properly and in the right context can be very devastating.
As for pinching, next time you're rolling with some one grab their side fat or skin between your fore finger and thumb, then twist. Pinching can be effective.

[jubaji]

As for pinching, next time you're rolling with some one grab their side fat or skin between your fore finger and thumb, then twist. Pinching can be effective.

Better save that test for when you have control, or you will also see how effective a broken arm and/or being unconscious can be.

[kingoftheforest]

Oh I agree. everything has it's time and place.