Charles Nelson

[DickHardman]

whats ironic is how when i mentioned that i like to keep away from bad places and shady people, you pipe up and talk about how i lock myself up and hide from the world. now you are trying to badmouth me for trying to keep myself safe? isnt that the entire purpose behind the training you have been ranting about this whole time? to keep yourself safe? so how are you going to come on this forum and tell people what you do is best for staying safe, then badmouth someone for wanting to be safe? i dont get you guys. either you guys are extreme trolls, or just utter morons. id really like to think better of you guys, but your posts are full of contradictions and hypocritical statements.

[jubaji]

either you guys are extreme trolls, or just utter morons.

I pick C, 'all of the above.'

[DickHardman]

but what it really means is that all your talk about what you could or would do is theory.

lol, look at this one. this ones good too...

[jubaji]

lol, look at this one. this ones good too...

Either pUke was trying to be ironic, or The Ambiguously Gay Duo's trolling is starting to break down.

[jubaji]

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[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I dont want to get involved in this thread but it is turning out to be very funny so far :P (< and why the phuck is that green smiley not appearing)

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

You claim that you also want to take a weapons system to even out your training. Well this attitude and statement isn't new and I've already addressed it last year. That kind of crosstraining works for MMA, not combatives.

Not being at all sarcastic i have to ask, is that so different from what this Charlie Nelson guy did?

[Garland]

Not being at all sarcastic i have to ask, is that so different from what this Charlie Nelson guy did?

I have to agree. The WW2 Combatives didn't fall out of thin air, nor were they serendipidous...they are basicly a mixture of proven techniques from other things. Kind of like...(Boar and Uke will resent me for saying this) they're...mixed...martial...arts? Maybe...just a thought.

[Tom Yum]

You claim that you also want to take a weapons system to even out your training. Well this attitude and statement isn't new and I've already addressed it last year. That kind of crosstraining works for MMA, not combatives.

Uke, some guys who train in MMA also train in weapons systems, especially in JKD affiliated schools. The weapons instruction they get is top notch too and based in kali, escrima and silat.

Hiding yourself from the rest of the world does not qualify as de-escalation of violence. Violence happens at malls, movie theaters, amusement parks, grocery stores, parking lots, streets due to road rage, etc. You can pretend that you've acquired some skill by not having gotten into a fight, but what it really means is that all your talk about what you could or would do is theory.

Avoiding violence is the best way to not be involved, right?

Some kinds of violence are avoidable by either not being there or walking away. If someone provokes you, do the right thing- walk away. That's a situation you can avoid.

You don't have to convince anyone of anything.

I look at guys like some of my boxing and muaythai instructors and I could never tell that they've got knockout power in their fists or their feet based on how big or mean they 'look'...same with people on the street. You don't know what they know or what they carry.

If you saw someon like a clean-cut Roberto Duran or Ramon Dekkers wearing every day clothes on the street, you might think you could walk on them because they aren't huge nor mean looking......but then there's guys like Kurt Angle who are huge, mean looking and capable.

Even Mike B, looks a little like a beefy David Hasslehof, but I know the man can put the fear of God in people because of his trade...

As far as personal safety being on the line, its a different story. I think this goes for both practitioners of the traditional arts as well as MMA.

And your ideas about staying safe by locking yourself in your home are equally as laughable. So what if you and your woman go to see a play on Broadway and it doesn't end until midnight? Do you leave early? What if you have tickets to see a ball game and the game doesn't end until 11:00pm? Do you leave early? What if the people you're with want to get something to eat afterwards and a drink? Do you say no because your BJJ training teaches you to go straight home and barricade your doors?

Good points. There's definitely a need for self-defense in our society.

[DickHardman]

my moms bf was just telling me how his son was once cornered into a fight by a much bigger football player at school, and his son who was only 140lbs dominated the football player because his son was a really good wrestler. had this kid pulled a knife on the football player/bully he would have been serving 25 to life right now.

[Tom Yum]

my moms bf was just telling me.

I thought I told you not to tell that story...

I'm just teasing you, man.

how his son was once cornered into a fight by a much bigger football player at school, and his son who was only 140lbs dominated the football player because his son was a really good wrestler. had this kid pulled a knife on the football player/bully he would have been serving 25 to life right now.

Wrestlers, boxers and other combat athletes can put the hurt on people and sometimes stop them. I'd rather not rely on legal deterrents against someone who doesn't care anyway; I'd rather have the skill and not need it...

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

I'd rather have the skill and not need it...

there's an old dutch saying, "God grant me a sharp sword and no use for it."

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

my moms bf was just telling me how his son was once cornered into a fight by a much bigger football player at school, and his son who was only 140lbs dominated the football player because his son was a really good wrestler. had this kid pulled a knife on the football player/bully he would have been serving 25 to life right now.

but that was a "school yard fight" and not a mugging or unexpected assault.

[DickHardman]

but that was a "school yard fight" and not a mugging or unexpected assault.

although it wasnt a mugging or unexpeted assault, it was a situation he was forced into. he did not want to fight and tried to avoid fighting the football player until he was cornered by the jock and his friends in a culdesac. he was forced to defend himself, even though lethal force would not have been an appropriate response.

[WildWest.]

It was what the RBSD instructors in the UK call a "matchfight" being that, despite being forced into it, it was still a 1on1 with no weapons and he wasn't sucker punched. Good on him for winning. In those situations having solid training in a "sport' based MA would help you a lot.