Altercation avoided

[DickHardman]

But don't get it wrong. I have no problem knocking you the fcuk out if you come at me the wrong way.

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lol @ making threats over the internet. awesome. keep it up. keep it right up.

[Uke]

Personally, I'd rather be sparring or rolling than trying to win an useless internet argument. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and you dare anyone to knock it off. Maybe we can arrange an old fashion throwdown like they have on bullshido.net. Afterwards we can go out to a Japanese Hibachi Steakhouse and have a meal and a few beers. No harm no foul.

I have no chip on my shoulder. I didn't see this as an argument. I gave you some advice that would have allowed you to gain access to free quality resources and instruction offline and you responded by telling me that you were comfortable here. There's nothing for me to win in that. If you see that as an argument then that's insecurity on your part.

I don't know what bullshido-type throwdowns are, but I hope your not suggesting what I think you are. There's nothing friendly about would happen. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote last and reconsider your words, brother.

PS If I were to have a chip on my shoulder, I'd be justified after you sent some neg rep to KOTF and signed my name to it, wouldn't I? Instead, I've continued to be civil and have positive exchanges with you. But don't get it wrong. I have no problem knocking you the fcuk out if you come at me the wrong way.

So let's keep it light and positive, and move on.

[Hardball]

Personally, I'd rather be sparring or rolling than trying to win an useless internet argument. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and you dare anyone to knock it off. Maybe we can arrange an old fashion throwdown like they have on bullshido.net. Afterwards we can go out to a Japanese Hibachi Steakhouse and have a meal and a few beers. No harm no foul.

[Uke]

Attack some dude just because he poked me in the chest? I don't think that is justifiable self-defense. The gentleman and his friend continued to taunt me after the chest poke.

When I stared them down, I didn't say anything. Kept it cool. I'm perfectly comfortable with how I dealt with the situation. I did not overreact; I kept it professional.

They could have upped the anti, stepped into my personal space and taught me a lesson - but the dudes big buddy chilled out, the aggressor changed his tone and the bar personnel cut him off.



Either way, the police would have been involved.

We both would have probably ended up at the station. One or both of us could have ended up at a hospital. I'd have to avoid one of my favorite watering holes and would have lost out on an opportunity of a lifetime.

Exactly. Nothing happened to even justify the title of this thread "Altercation avoided". If nothing happened, where's the avoidance? What skill or set of concepts did you use to diffuse or avoid anything except for letting a drunk dude's silly antics slide off your back?

What's worse is that you wrote that you started playing staring match games with the guys: The easiest way to provoke someone to come over and ask "You got a problem?".

The rest of the post was just "I woulda's" and "I coulda's".

I'm not saying anything except for it makes no sense for you to author an avoidance thread if you continued to stare them down and flirt with the fantasy of punching one guy out and hitting the other with a bar stool.

[Uke]

Uke - You've made quite an effort to point out what you think I meant by my post. But, from the perspective of what I think I meant with MY own post..... you couldn't be more wrong.

That's fine. Actually I didn't put out effort to point out what you meant. I was pointing out what Peyton Quinn meant. You just happened to be the guy who posted his words. Notice that it was only the rules that I used. Not a thing more from your post.

So relax a bit with the understanding that I haven't misconstrued your words. I didn't even use them.

[Thai Bri]

Uke - You've made quite an effort to point out what you think I meant by my post. But, from the perspective of what I think I meant with MY own post..... you couldn't be more wrong.

[Tom Yum]

Honestly Tom, if you had to go as far as staring the guys down in an effort to show that you weren't afraid and risk provoking a situation by doing so then you might as well have just taken it to them when he poked you in the chest. .

Attack some dude just because he poked me in the chest? I don't think that is justifiable self-defense. The gentleman and his friend continued to taunt me after the chest poke.

When I stared them down, I didn't say anything. Kept it cool. I'm perfectly comfortable with how I dealt with the situation. I did not overreact; I kept it professional.

They could have upped the anti, stepped into my personal space and taught me a lesson...but the dudes big buddy chilled out, the aggressor changed his tone and the bar personnel cut him off.

Basically, handle it right the first time so you won't have to spend the rest of your night telling yourself and others how willing you were to kick his ass all because you became unhappy with how you dealt with it in retrospect.

Either way, the police would have been involved.

We both would have probably ended up at the station. One or both of us could have ended up at a hospital. I'd have to avoid one of my favorite watering holes and would have lost out on an opportunity of a lifetime.

[Uke]

Yea, Boar was deep into Tai Chi and the internal arts. I learned a lot from him. Lately I've just been adhering to the "nike" motto. "Just do it".

The problem with starting a new branch of martial arts is the cost involved. I get tired of paying tuition and private lessons are hard to find if you can afford them.

You can talk as much theory as you want but it isn't the same as applying it into practice. I come here because I know these guys and they know me.

Any suggestions you have for further theory enhancement would be welcomed. What sites do you recommend?

I don't understand. You just said you learned a lot from Boar, but later on you state "You can talk as much theory as you want but it isn't the same as applying it into practice". How does that make sense unless you've actually trained in person with Boar? He wrote tons of theory here at Defend and even managed to teach several people practical application ONLINE!!! Sooooo ...

There are plenty of high quality teachers that teach everything from combatives to taiji for free in person. Some are very famous. You just have to be in the right circles or be introduced by the right people ... which is why I suggested that you do what I stated. There was nothing theory based about what I suggested.

But you seem to be happy doing what you're doing, so stick with that bro.

[DickHardman]

Tom did absolutely nothing aside from not overreacting to the initial exchange of words, so you can't be suggesting that he did anything but share his thoughts of what he imagined he would have done.

Let's look at the rules that Thai Bri posted:



You have to be up close and personal for any of those rules to apply. This was a case of a couple of drunk, regular guys initially had fun and fucked with Tom a little bit. The rest was Tom's game plan of what he would have done had it gone passed him getting playfully poked in the chest.

Honestly Tom, if you had to go as far as staring the guys down in an effort to show that you weren't afraid and risk provoking a situation by doing so then you might as well have just taken it to them when he poked you in the chest.

Basically, handle it right the first time so you won't have to spend the rest of your night telling yourself and others how willing you were to kick his ass all because you became unhappy with how you dealt with it in retrospect.

lol there we go......


...i knew it was coming sooner or later lol.......good one...

[Uke]

What really happened

Tom did absolutely nothing aside from not overreacting to the initial exchange of words, so you can't be suggesting that he did anything but share his thoughts of what he imagined he would have done.

Let's look at the rules that Thai Bri posted:

1 - Show no fear <-- you start out this way. You don't turn it on later to taunt.

2 - Do not make threats <-- this one includes body language

3 - Do not become abusive <-- a stare down match qualifies

4 - Give the guy what he feels is an honourable exit <-- Tom basically started out with this rule and worked his way back in reverse order.

You have to be up close and personal for any of those rules to apply. This was a case of a couple of drunk, regular guys initially had fun and fucked with Tom a little bit. The rest was Tom's game plan of what he would have done had it gone passed him getting playfully poked in the chest.

Honestly Tom, if you had to go as far as staring the guys down in an effort to show that you weren't afraid and risk provoking a situation by doing so then you might as well have just taken it to them when he poked you in the chest.

Basically, handle it right the first time so you won't have to spend the rest of your night telling yourself and others how willing you were to kick his ass all because you became unhappy with how you dealt with it in retrospect.

[Uke]

darrianation

Tom,

Folks can say what they will "You should of did this" or "You should have done that", not that you asked but what you did worked and you got home in one piece, you can't argue with that.

Good job.

That's like saying the end justifies the means which isn't smart. That's not to say that Tom did anything wrong, but telling someone "You pulled it off so everything you did was sound and practical" is ridiculous.

I think the reasons that people share stories like this is to either get input or to brag about how tough they are. We see that Tom didn't do enough to seem tough so obviously he's looking for input. Could he have been more prepared? Did he have all his bases covered? Or did Tom just get lucky that the guy didn't pull out that knife in his boot and his friend didn't try to blindside him with a bottle?

I'm not saying that I'm not happy that it worked out well for Tom, but had the scenario played out another way, was Tom prepared? Did he have a plan other than a punch combo? He seemed to have already gotten the idea that the other guy wasn't the 5 punch combo type, which means Tom already had preconceived notions. That fat bastard may have been as nice with his hands as Butterbean, in which case Tom would have found his ass handed to him. Or swift and accurate like Chris Sayoc, who is another big guy. You never know what someone knows.

We'll never know though, because it didn't play out that way. This wasn't a case of verbal diffusion because no one ever approached Tom. It wasn't a case of avoidance because Tom never did anything different to prevent an altercation. If anything he claims to have stared the guys down which would serve to exacerbate the situation.

[Hardball]

Yea, Boar was deep into Tai Chi and the internal arts. I learned a lot from him. Lately I've just been adhering to the "nike" motto. "Just do it".

The problem with starting a new branch of martial arts is the cost involved. I get tired of paying tuition and private lessons are hard to find if you can afford them.

You can talk as much theory as you want but it isn't the same as applying it into practice. I come here because I know these guys and they know me.

Any suggestions you have for further theory enhancement would be welcomed. What sites do you recommend?

[Uke]

Nope, too deep for me. I just use the term generically. I'm only a 2nd degree, ask me again in about 10 or 15 years. LOL

I hear ya, but why wait 10-15 years? Seriously there are great teachers and resources for you to learn the underlying concepts and principles of chi and the internal arts. One resource used to frequent this board.

If you truly want to enhance your understanding of the internal and even your own understanding of aiki you should look around. I don't know how much you've improved your understanding of such things in the three years that you've posted here, but I would would serious explore other places for insight and in depth explanations and dialogue.

I've gotten the idea that you seem to really be into what you're doing through our convos and pm's. Do yourself a favor and seek out people who are doing what you are doing and others who are doing different things but equally or more passionately.

Finding a group or site with people like that and you won't have to wait a tenth of the time you suggested for you understanding to greatly improve.

Good luck.

[Hardball]

I don't spend a lot of time here. This board isn't what it used to be and has become stale for the most part.

Instead of me defining anything here, let me ask this question:

If chi is fight or flight response, is it true that you can only harness the power of chi during an altercation that brings about adrenaline? And if that is true, aren't you just using the word chi as a substitute for adrenaline?

And if all that is true, then how do internal practitioners utilize chi during practice to produce fajin? Do they have some way to release adrenaline even during the practice of forms and mock scenarios when no real danger exists?

Since I know chi/qi to be a Chinese internal art/medicine term, I wrote your take was "interesting" and thought you may have some additional insight to offer on it.

Nope, too deep for me. I just use the term generically. I'm only a 2nd degree, ask me again in about 10 or 15 years. LOL

[darrianation]

Tom,

Folks can say what they will "You should of did this" or "You should have done that", not that you asked but what you did worked and you got home in one piece, you can't argue with that.

Good job.