i need help please

[Tom Yum]

yes i understand that i needed to call the police.. but what i won't be protected by the police all the time if you get what i mean.. offcourse i will take precaution like u stated.. i've also talked to my employer about this and they have been warned that they will be banned from the place.. but one of them threatened that they will do much worst to me if one of our security do anything to them....

...then your security sucks. They're supposed to know the legalities of their job, which includes protecting the patronage (and employees) of the bar during working hours, right? They could certainly act as a witness for you to file a report.

What has the bar's security advised you to do? And your boss?

my question is would krav maga help my cause? because the only self defence place in adelaide that i could find atm is krav maga

It seems hard to imagine a bunch of trained kickboxers, gaining up on some slightly overweight 19 year old kid who works at a bar?

Lastly if you started all of this or instigated these guys from the start, I don't have any sympathy for the situation you've gotten yourself into.

For general self-defense can you keep a shotgun behind the bar? An extendable batton/baseball bat? A good blade?

[chillaplata]

Mike,

My post was just to follow up on the sidebar self-defense discussion -- I wasn't trying to imply you claimed the Visine trick would hold up as self-defense in court. I did note that you cautioned the OP in earlier posts to take your advice in the intended context -- i.e., as a way to win a fight but not necessarily a way to avoid getting thrown in jail -- and to consider getting another job if his only other choices are getting beaten up or risking going to jail. I also suggested he consider a new place of employment if the bouncers and police can't protect him against a gang of thugs...

[kingoftheforest]

In a cave

Man is there an echo in this thread.

Repeating the same thing over and over again and again and just rearranging the words doesn't really seem like a solid foundation in argument. It just makes it look like you want to hammer your idea into everyone's head and drown out any sensible arguments or counter points.


Kinda the equivalent to a kid yelling "Nah-ah" at the top of his lungs while someone else tries to speak.

Taking things out of context also seems to be some people specialty. I have definitely seen people on this forum say

"Do whatever it takes to win" but the context has always been centered around being attacked when you do it. That's while you are being attacked present tense. Nobody that I respect on this forum has ever said wait till they come back and then do anything to win.

There may have been someone on this forum who said that but I doubt that person garnered any respect from anyone who has any idea what self defense is.

I mean hell if you are married and have a kid and say your wife is a porker then maybe you should take them with you where ever you go. That way there if you need a couple of human shields you can use them. Hell that's doing anything to win.

I sure hope that last line doesn't make anyone comment back all...........here it is our word of the week


sanctimonious






...or butt-hurt.

[Guest]

Repeating the same thing over and over again and again and just rearranging the words doesn't really seem like a solid foundation in argument.

And often when you are in that argument, you don't realise that in fact you are doing exactly the same thing. And I'm afraid you are.

This discussion has gone way beyond repetition.

I have never read, not once, Mike Brewer say that the method he is discussing is for self-defence. I have never read him saying that it is legal. I haven't, for that matter, read him saying that it is moral, brave, right, wrong, good, bad or indifferent. The guy is just saying that he's done it, it works, and it has achieved the desired effect. Thats it, period.

You hold a view that this is not self defence (already agreed), that it is not legal (already agreed) and that it is a chicken shit approach (thats your personal point of view, and you are entitled to it).

Whether or not Mike expressing his experiences and point of view as advice on the forum is "irresponsible" is again totally subjective. This is the Urban Combatives section, I have seen far worse posted on here and more importantly its largely bullshit from people who have never done what they claim the have. I know Mike, I have trained with him and worked with him, and if he says he has done it - he has done it. You may not agree with it, or his expression of his experiences on here, but its a free country.

I have nothing against you KOTF, we have held good discussion on here, but back to your original post you are also guilty of hands over the ears repetition in this thread. I think maybe its time we all moved on, thats my 2c.

[Tots64]

Hello !
I was reading about your problem and it's not easy. if you hope to be rid of those guys by learning martial you must realise that it is going to take a bit of time before you'll be ready, especially if there are a few. Don'you have some friends that can help you? have you tried to talk to them? Maybe if you offer them a drink and try to laugh with them things could change. I think violence is not the answer. If the police takes them to the station and put them in cells they'll soon be out and mad against you... That could be the beginning of something more dansgerous.

[kingoftheforest]

Tomatoe tomato

I know Mike, I have trained with him and worked with him, and if he says he has done it - he has done it. You may not agree with it, or his expression of his experiences on here, but its a free country.

You know I have said the same thing about a few other people on here and it doesn't amount to shit. I have been lambasted for having this same sentiment of TTE and Boarspear. So I'll tell you the exact same thing that was told to me.

Your a nut hugger and you need to get your tongue out of his ass....since he doesn't have a ponytail for you to braid. This isn't meant to be disrespectful to you Mr. Wright, I just want to make sure you know how this forum approaches ideas like that, or at least that was the impression I was given.

It is a free country and I have the right to defend the fact that somebody mentions members of a certain "camp" of which I am a junior instructor with, who also live in my house. Then when I defend this I am told that I was not being referred to nor were any of the people in my "immediate vicinity" so I should unwad my panties. I am not going to point out the logical flaws here because goddamn they should be evident.

Also I really get sick of somebody talking shit about a forum member they ban in almost every discussion that involves people form "the camp". The member whom I feel the same way about as you do about Mike so I am not going to let someone run all over their name just because they have no means of defending themselves. The only difference with your post is Brewer can still post on here.

Somebody really likes to stack the deck in his favor.

I have nothing against you KOTF, we have held good discussion on here,

I feel the same. I would never think badly of someone defending his friends and I won't lose respect for you over that. But some things make you re question some people's value systems.

I am not here to try to change your opinion nor am I trying to force mine on you. Anyone can say "yes you are because you keep defending it"...but I am making sure that some one doesn't tarnish my value system by trying to apply their own shitty standards and doctrine to something that leads directly back to my name.

[Hardball]

It's an Internet forum. Some people just won't like each other. It happens all over the internet. It is, what it is!!!

[Guest]

There is a history here with Boarspear that I am not party to, so I won't tell you your own business, you clearly feel strongly about it and I understand. In my personal experience this forum is very fair and very tolerant, but if you have experience to the contrary then fair enough.

I believe you when you say you didn't mean any disrespect with your comments, but allow me to retort. I am secure and comfortable enough in the stage I have reached in both my martial arts and my life not to put my tongue up anyone's ass, I stand on my own. Mike and I are from the same background, he is my friend, and I respect him a great deal. That doesn't mean I kiss his ass, it means we see things in a very similar way, and like you for that I won't apologise.

I think, as I have had to do a number of times, its always good to step back and take the emotion out of this. We are, all of us on here, just words spilling out of a keyboard. The notion of liking and disliking people on here is a nonsense, in the end it means nothing, but perhaps thats why its so much fun to debate. From my point of view, this forum would really be nothing without the strong characters who argue to the hilt. I include you in that group.

I guess all my post was saying is, maybe this argument has ran it's course.

[jubaji]

It is a free country and I have the right to defend the fact that somebody mentions members of a certain "camp" of which I am a junior instructor with, who also live in my house. The member whom I feel the same way about as you do about Mike so I am not going to let someone run all over their name just because they have no means of defending themselves.

Sounds like somebody got flowers recently!

"Love is in the air
Everywhere I look around
Love is in the air
Every sight and every sound

And I don't know if I'm being foolish
Don't know if I'm being wise
But it's something that I must believe in
And it's there when I look in your eyes

Love is in the air
In the whisper of the trees
Love is in the air
In the thunder of the sea

And I don't know if I'm just dreaming
Don't know if I feel sane
But it's something that I must believe in
And it's there when you call out my name

(Chorus)
Love is in the air
Love is in the air
Oh oh oh
Oh oh oh

Love is in the air
In the rising of the sun
Love is in the air
When the day is nearly done

And I don't know if you're an illusion
Don't know if I see it true
But you're something that I must believe in
And you're there when I reach out for you

Love is in the air
Every sight and every sound
And I don't know if I'm being foolish
Don't know if I'm being wise

But it's something that I must believe in
And it's there when I look in your eyes "






Oh, you crazy kids!

[kingoftheforest]

'Nuff said

Michael,

First and foremost thank you. The type of conversation you are bringing right now is what makes a debate. You are honest, to the point, and very correct in that emotion does play a role. I agree wholeheartedly that emotion is what makes a great debate, if not for emotion then how could we feel so strongly for what we believe in.

You are also correct in that we sometimes need to step back and view the things we care about so vehemently without emotion. Because we all know how emotion can cloud our judgment.

And on that line of thinking I feel you are correct in that this debate has run it's course. I feel I have conveyed my feelings and throughly explained myself on how I feel and what my opinions are.

Thank you for being a voice of reason with that last post bro.


I want you to know I was not calling you a "nuthugger" as I think you clarified in your post. Merely I was pointing out that when I conveyed that sentiment I was branded a nutthugger and now as I can see apparently a homosexual as well.

I guess the only thing more disgusting than a nuthugger is a prima donna who's only real exercise in life is hugging his own nuts.

Some people love themselves so much they wanna have a baby with them self.

[kingoftheforest]

It's an Internet forum. Some people just won't like each other. It happens all over the internet. It is, what it is!!!

And 1 million times more entertaining than T.V.