What martial arts do special operations soldiers use?

[Heroic Wolf]

Does anybody know what kinds of martial arts special operations soldiers use? I know the marines have Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) and army has Modern Army Combatives Program (MACP), but I've been unable to find out what Navy SEALs, green berets, and other special operations troops use?

[TTEscrima]

I've been unable to find out what Navy SEALs, green berets, and other special operations troops use?

That's because the material is classified. You can however glean an idea of what the programs consist of by looking at the backgrounds of the men who head the projects. The men who run the Navy CQC program have extensive backgrounds in WWII combatives and the Chinese Martial arts. The MMA based programs have been phased out of SFCQC programs entirely and replaced with the USMC's LINE program since 2002. Essentially the programs are based on stand up fighting that employs edge of the hand blows. Think stand up fighting and striking without a closed fist and you'll be on the right track. The common nickname for the training is Hand to Gland combat.

[Garland]

Um...someone please flag this pic for the moderators...I do NOT want to see how DickHardman made his name in the adult film industry.


I mean...Mike Brewer said "no one has the right not to be offended..." but this shit is pushing the proverbial envelope.

[sikal]

As far as I'm aware from talking to various SpecOps guys over the years, there's no standard outside of some basics. Sometimes a commanding officer will set up a contract with an instructor to come in and teach but usually it's up to the individuals to seek their training outside the basics.

I could be wrong but that's the impression I've gotten.

Mike

[TTEscrima]

As far as I'm aware from talking to various SpecOps guys over the years, there's no standard outside of some basics. Sometimes a commanding officer will set up a contract with an instructor to come in and teach but usually it's up to the individuals to seek their training outside the basics.

I could be wrong but that's the impression I've gotten.

Mike

Once You've completed SFCQC levels one and two and you're assigned to a team, supplemental training is indeed different at each command but the core POI is standardized.

[Guest]

What the **** is that picture??

Here in the UK, there is a standard PT program that incorporates basic hand to hand training, still mostly from Ju-jitsu and Judo.

Boxing is very much encouraged, The Royal Marines have a good amateur squad, also the Army and the Navy have a good Karate Squads, but thats all for sport and recreation for the troops.

In terms of when things get specialist, its down to a tender process for the contract, or more often than not personal recommendation for ad-hoc training. Typically you are brought in to solve a specific problem, you are there to answer their question, not to just throw all the stuff you like at them. Thats a common mistake people make.

[TTEscrima]

YouTube - Duane Dieter CQD Training

Here's a video that shows some of the concepts taught in advanced CQD levels 1 and 2. Fukein WC and Tai Chi play a large role and have since the days of Pi teaching/serving on team 1 in the 80's. The mission effectiveness of the CMA's were part of the reason Vunak was brought to Dam Neck so the trapping lines and wooden dummy work he was using could be integrated with the WC lines Duncan Leung was teaching the teams. Once Duncan retired and Vunak was replaced with Cucci more MT influence was added. The MT lines were removed when CQD was adopted though because it didn't fit the needs of the mission statement. They do sometimes try other things out, but they usually return to the CMA's as their core because they get the results the Teams need.

[TTEscrima]

I used to live between Little Creek and Fort Story.

Me too.

Yes, the majority of the Teams in the Tidewater area are at Little Creek but quite a bit of training goes on at Dam Neck and a handful are stationed there full time. There also happen to be a few SEAL billets at FT Story to assist the Army Combat divers training there.

[darrianation]

As far as I'm aware from talking to various SpecOps guys over the years, there's no standard outside of some basics. Sometimes a commanding officer will set up a contract with an instructor to come in and teach but usually it's up to the individuals to seek their training outside the basics.

I could be wrong but that's the impression I've gotten.

Mike

This correct, but most of the guys tend to lean towards the MMAs

[Tant01]

From the man himself...

This correct, but most of the guys tend to lean towards the MMAs

And there you have it!

Nice to see you here again!

[TTEscrima]

This correct, but most of the guys tend to lean towards the MMAs

Here we go, again, this is propaganda from the MMA camp. The only service with a love affair with MMA is the REGULAR ARMY. EVERY other branch has requested and received permission to implement TMA based systems INSTEAD of MMA INCLUDING the Army at SF level. At one time the Army was almost completely MMA focused but they were also alone in this, neither the Navy, Marines nor Air Force followed suit. Army SF failures to complete missions because of things like an Afghan Grandmother taking a Ranger down and choking him out on a raid and Rangers losing control of detainees in helicopters (as well as several classified incidents) have caused a policy change. MMA was popular because it was nearly free and the troops liked playing with it so they actually did the training, Line (which was brought back) was causing too many injuries in training so the Marines developed a new system while the Army tried out Larsens MMA program which even he has admitted was a failure in the field. Do some units still train MMA on their own and use their own money to finance it? Sure, some of them also use their own funds to finance football, golf and dances.

I've posted the official request to replace MMA based training with Line etc at SF level in several threads already. The fact that the military doesn't like to advertise its mistakes or disclose it's mission parameters has allowed this MMA is the way propaganda to proliferate.

[darrianation]

TTEscrima,

You must of read into something I didn't say.

[TTEscrima]

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