Officer Jim Wagner Investigated By POW.net

[Joe Hubbard]

Officer Jim Wagner is being investigated by POW.net (an organisation who exposes military frauds) for falsifying documents and phony military and police claims. The guy who served as an Air Marshall who said he flew hundreds of counter-terrorist missions, was as it turns out, a radio operator for eight months in the U.S. Army (not the SF connections that he boasts) and a reserve police man jailer (not the SWAT veteran that he has confabulated). Jim Wagner is mostly known for his High Risk column in Black Belt magazine and adamantly claims he invented Reality Based Self Defence in 1997.

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[TTEscrima]

Unfortunately this type BS is quite common, there is a huge movement going on to vett the real deal people and out the frauds on several forums. The Stolen Valor Act criminalizes this BS and posers who put it in print (even on forums) can be jailed.

[Hardball]

Dissapointing to hear that Jim Wagner may be a fraud, he has written many many articles.

[TTEscrima]

Dissapointing to hear that Jim Wagner may be a fraud, he has written many many articles.

Often that in itself is a warning sign. Operators don't post their names and pictures all over the public domain because they can't due to security concerns, opsec and non disclosure agreements. Besides, they don't need to advertise themselves to the general public because their skillsets are useless in the civilian world.

[ltindiandaeng]

This article is not surprisning to me.For reasons that I myself cannot explain,I always thought Mr. Wagner's claims did not seem authentic.For one thing,as TT Escrima said,spec ops people do not advertise so much.Plus his air marshal career seemed more like a training class.It seemed very short.If true it seems unfair to the air marshal service to undergo all that expensive training just to write magazine articles or produce dvds.I do not know the truth about this man so I won't judge.I will only say I am not surprised by this allegation.

[Joe Hubbard]

This was taken from the Original Seal Verification Project:

One of the more curious aspects of exposing impostors is not the reactions of the fakes themselves, but those of their "believers". Some fakes succeed in developing cult followers who, it often seems, would rather die than accept the fact that their "SEAL" hero is nothing more than a cheap imitation of the real thing. Even when confronted with irrefutable facts that blow big, ugly holes in the flimsy facade of their favored faker, they refuse to face the truth. They grasp at straws, convinced that we are in some way mistaken. They just KNOW that their "SEAL" buddy is the genuine article.
Reinforcing the lie is the impostor himself, usually cowering just behind the skirts of his flock, telling them that we are impostors conducting some sort of "smear" campaign or retribution at the behest of the many wicked enemies Mr. Phony SEAL amassed during the course of his distinguished and highly-classified career vanquishing dangerous No-goodniks the world over.
The more accomplished impostors are sometimes very good at planting an otherwise laughable forest of mirrors around their naive minions. Up is down, wrong is right, black is white ...

Interesting

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[Hardball]

I always thought he was weird for photographing in full police gear or full soldier gear for the cover of Black Belt magazine. Never seen him in a ghi or sweats always full uniform on the cover of Black Belt.

[Joe Hubbard]

The use of tactical equipment and duty rig for purposes of training Law Enforcement, military and security professionals is valid because these groups need to train tactics with their equipment on to pressure test the applications of their tactics as it would be in an actual live operation. The rub with JW is that he is wearing berets, insignia, SWAT uniforms and official police uniforms. He is also confabulated his military and police credentials along with allegations that he has forged official documents. The Stolen Valor Act of 2005 protects against these types of individuals from conning others into believing their comic book BS.

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[Hardball]

The use of tactical equipment and duty rig for purposes of training Law Enforcement, military and security professionals is valid because these groups need to train tactics with their equipment on to pressure test the applications of their tactics as it would be in an actual live operation. The rub with JW is that he is wearing berets, insignia, SWAT uniforms and official police uniforms. He is also confabulated his military and police credentials along with allegations that he has forged official documents. The Stolen Valor Act of 2005 protects against these types of individuals from conning others into believing their comic book BS.

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Joe

I'm very familiar with the SVA of 2005. Maybe he would look normal on the cover of Guns and Ammo.

[DonKey]

I'm very familiar with the SVA of 2005. Maybe he would look normal on the cover of Guns and Ammo.

I bet G&A checks their sources. No chance he'd get in there.

[Paco]

Only one more example of why martial arts magazines suck !

[Garland]

So...

Jim Wagner...
not to be confused with Kelly McCann aka Jim Grover...right?
I like most of the Crucible stuff...very direct and uncomplicated Fairbairn/Applegate type stuff.

[Joe Hubbard]

Why are you confusing Jim Wagner with Kelly McCann? Jim Wagner is Jim Wagner; how could you miss him. He is a billboard of convoluted lies, misconceptions and speculative background. He is a smoke and mirrors expert with little to no truth or integrity attached to what he does. His time is up. Buyer beware:

Jim Wagner training

It’s long and detailed, but as the scum starts to surface…well as the X-Files once said, the truth is out there.

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[Garland]

Why are you confusing Jim Wagner with Kelly McCann? Jim Wagner is Jim Wagner; how could you miss him. He is a billboard of convoluted lies, misconceptions and speculative background.

...I'm sort of new to the whole "combatives" "rbsd" consumer scene.

I tend to figure that if I can buy a dvd set on ebay for less than a night of drinking at the vfw, I'll check out the material for myself and see if I can glean something from it for my own training...

I've seen Kelly McCann's stuff, and it seems very direct, practical, and he doesn't try to pass himself off as uber-cop.
I haven't seen Hock Hockheim's stuff...but his badmouthing of certain members of the FMA community puts me off just a little bit.
As for Jim Wagner...I've seen the black belt magazine articles, but I haven't had the desire to pick up any of his products.

Anything that is trying to sell "certifications" sets off my bullshit alarm, but hey...everybody has courses and seminars with little diplomas for the people who attend them... but becoming an "expert" or an "instructor" in something should require mastery and a shit-ton of flight time and dilligent training.

**** mail-order masters...they seem to have them for EVERYTHING these days.
I could probably be a "certified" yoga guru and jkd master under some bullshit ebay fraud boiler room pyramid scheme jokester for a couple hundred bones in however long it takes for some crappy "training" videos to get shipped to my house.

I am cynical by nature...at a certain point I start picking apart everything, and everyone's credentials.

[TTEscrima]

I've seen the black belt magazine articles, but I haven't had the desire to pick up any of his products.

There you go, Counte Dante wrote some articles for BB magazine as well, What a joke/fraud or Maung Gyi who wrote countless articles on bando, also a fraud, think about it have you ever seen anyone of actual note write for them? Of course not because people with actual skills have too much dignity to write for for such BS publications, c'mon who really takes anything in those mags seriously? It's like reading the martial arts inquirer for Christs sake. And holy WTF the ads in those mags LOL, how do you know something in the martial arts is BS? You saw it in the back of a comic book or BB magazine.