Mugging in NYC

[TTEscrima]

Awareness, avoidance, and intelligence are the gold standard.

Agreed, and sport arts aren't known for teaching any of those attributes. In fact if you look at the actions and statements of the MMA crowd its apparent they're alien concepts. Ask any RBSD guy the quickest way to get shot and he will tell you its to charge into a confrontation with a stranger while wearing a martial arts uniform or gear like Alex Gong did. Ask the quickest way to to limit your ability to see whats going on and he'll tell you its to go to the ground. Ask the fastest way to limit your ability to avoid trouble and it will be also going to the ground. Wearing your school shirt/no fear shirt, stupid hair cuts and tattoos all identify you, none of those are intelligent actions if SD is your goal, you might as well try wrestling multiple opponents armed with knives. Intelligence is avoiding closing the gap and grappling with potentially armed opponents instead of doing the exact opposite.

[jubaji]

Some theory boy?.

Yeah, like you.

That would be you boy, you know, the poser who has never been in combat or made an arrest.

Oh, so we are talking about military and law enforcement training? When did the topic shift? And, I don't think you should exclude KOTF from the discussion just because he has never been in combat.

You're the definition of a theory boy, you spend all your time theorizing how your sport could be used for something it isn't designed for, SD..

Nope, I only speak from my own actual experience and something you are not familiar with called common sense. As I recall, some of my experience made you feel all insecure for some reason because you could not claim the same. There are many reasons for a clown like you to feel inferior, but that really shouldn't be one of them.

Meanwhile you've spent years making thousands upon thousands of inane and derogatory posts about the systems and people who practice arts designed for SD. .

What systems have I denigrated?

That makes you a pissed off little jealous theory boy who was too scared to join the military or police.

So again we are talking about military and police training? Does his lack of combat experience leave KOTF out again? Maybe we need to start a new thread.

It's amazingly Ironic YOU calling someone that has been involved in more combat in a day than you've watched on TV your entire life, that defines YOU as the theory boy in this discussion. .

If you want to start a thread about fighting under fire in an actual war zone I'll be sure not to contradict you since I have not had that experience. Of course you would then try to use that as a way of talking about things and we'd inevitably disagree again.

stop referring to Vets discussing SD as theory boys. Show some respect for those who risked their lives to enable you the freedom to show what a piss ant you really are by disrespecting their service as you type from the safety they provided you.

Now this is just shameless. Trying to use "don't hate the vets!" to cover your every asinine argument is an absolute disgrace. Apparently you have no shame or self-respect, but don't besmirch good people in the process of making an ass of yourself.

[Uke]

Hey Jubaji - I don't think that the articles posted are similar to the main article except for the aritcle about the fat man and the italian girl. But the issue is about defense, being a responder not initiator. I geuss I am confused why you indicate some thoery which implies there is a realiy that is being missed. IMHO, The point is, why does anyone learn MA to better defend themselves?...... It doesn't mean that people can't defend themselves if they have never fought or never been mugged. However, training (especially "good" training) can increase your odds of survival. Not trying to get in the arguement between UKE GARLAND and KOF!! but just wanted to add my 2.32 cents

IPON, you are wasting your time. the only thing that Jubaji and Garland can do to make it seem like they have a clue is too misquote and imply things that were never written. As I said earlier, Garland can't do it, and can't fathom anyone else doing it. So it has to be theory in his mind. I know the results are very repeatable for a fact.

They keep referring to theory, but what theory have we spoken about? Garland is stupid enough to think that this article proves that the good guys get away sometimes, but it wasn't the good guy that got away! It was the bad guy that got away because he ran after seeing his two buddies stabbed repeatedly, disarmed and laid out. How is that theory? How is that luck?

Further proof of jubaji's and Garland's glaring ignorance is that knives are not known for their stopping power unless you physically make it impossible for an attacker to continue. Men have had their arms and legs sliced up, stabbed in the belly, stabbed in the chest and kept going. Physical pain can be endured, but these two idiots believe that in knife situations the first time you get cut you "instantly" fall to the ground and die. This assumption alone pins their ignorance to their chests.

Blunt force like brass knuckles, blackjacks, bricks and bats have much more stopping power. Guns and bullets even more so. Still, men have been shot and continue to come forward.

That's why this seems so unbelievable to these two clowns: They have no idea about what really happens so they take their cues from movies and books. It seems so impossible to them because all of their training hasn't prepared them to deal with anything outside of fair fist fights.

No one ever guaranteed a thing, but I know that there are intelligent and proven methods of doing something, and then there are workhorse methods of do something. RBSD has always taught men to work smarter, not harder. Working harder is and always has been the methodology of competition arts. Its how they train and what they train for. If they truly were as effective as Garland and jubaji would love to believe then how could they go on for 10-12 rounds? I can tell you that fights that include weapons don't go on for even 60 seconds unless somebody is running, in which case it ain't even a fight.

But even in the sportive aspect, the Dog Brother matches ain't going on for much longer. The first person to land cleanly usually hurts the other person bad enough to end it. But even there if you observe they go back and forth dueling. That ain't a mugging. A mugging is a gun to the small of your back or a knife to your throat or a knife in your gut.

Clowns like jubaji and Garland want people believe that we are saying that its impossible to win using sports like kickboxing or wrestling. That's their personal hangup that they've invented for the purposes of making this discussion available for their style of debating ... which is profanity and semantics. I don't speak in absolutes, but that doesn't mean that just because I know that one method was made for violence while the other seems similar because it promotes physical contact through aggression I'm going to call them the same or even close to the same thing.

If that were the case then sumo could be considered RBSD!

And then Garland would argue that we can't possibly prove that sumo couldn't work while jubaji would stand up and yell "Mayo Basho!" while writing about how he met the yokozuna in an effort to seem like he's done sumo too. If jubaji could concentrate at that moment, that is.

[IPON]

Hey Jubaji - I don't think that the articles posted are similar to the main article except for the aritcle about the fat man and the italian girl. But the issue is about defense, being a responder not initiator. I geuss I am confused why you indicate some thoery which implies there is a realiy that is being missed. IMHO, The point is, why does anyone learn MA to better defend themselves?...... It doesn't mean that people can't defend themselves if they have never fought or never been mugged. However, training (especially "good" training) can increase your odds of survival. Not trying to get in the arguement between UKE GARLAND and KOF!! but just wanted to add my 2.32 cents

[TTEscrima]

The situation dictates the best course of action in any circumstance, not what some theory-boy on the internet says you must do.

Some theory boy? That would be you boy, you know, the poser who has never been in combat or made an arrest, but wrestled in school and thus has thousands of posts mocking TCMA/RBSD posters, all the while babbling about how he wrestled and suplexed his knife wielding opponents.

You're the definition of a theory boy, you spend all your time theorizing how your sport could be used for something it isn't designed for, SD.

Meanwhile you've spent years making thousands upon thousands of inane and derogatory posts about the systems and people who practice arts designed for SD.

That makes you a pissed off little jealous theory boy who was too scared to join the military or police but talks shit about his college wrestling to make himself feel better about his dismal lonely existence.

It's amazingly Ironic YOU calling someone that has been involved in more combat in a day than you've watched on TV your entire life, that defines YOU as the theory boy in this discussion.

Sack up, grow up, STFU and stop referring to Vets discussing SD as theory boys. Show some respect for those who risked their lives to enable you the freedom to show what a piss ant you really are by disrespecting their service as you type from the safety they provided your little pussy ass.

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[jubaji]

What I think is BS is some one who thinks wrestling a knife wielding assailant is a good idea is insane.

Do I think grabbing, high kicking, tackling or grappling a person holding a knife is a good idea. No!.

The situation dictates the best course of action in any circumstance, not what some theory-boy on the internet says you must do.

Bismarck Tribune - North Dakota News - Fargo man wrestles knife from attacker


ISIAH CAREY'S 'INSITE': MAN ALLEGEDLY TRIES TO ATTACK QUANELL X AT FITNESS GYM!


Women fend off attacker with Kleenex box, curtain rod


Cabbie, cousin knifed by passenger: The attacker robbed the two men at knifepoint and stabbed them before hurling racial slurs at them. | Article from Tulsa World (Tulsa, OK) | HighBeam Research


TPF: Italian Tourist Fights Off Knife Attack On Upper East Side

[TTEscrima]

Now that there's a darn good idea!


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I see you beat me to it, what the hell.

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[kingoftheforest]

Now that there's a darn good idea!


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You squeal piggy squeaaaaaalllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kingoftheforest]

For somebody who doesn't have time to concentrate you sure are quick with the comebacks and the come ons.

Calling me a--hole like we're dating or something.

[Tom Yum]

Damn if this is the best you can do maybe you need to take a vacation and ride you hog some.

Now that there's a darn good idea!

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[kingoftheforest]

LOL! Oh, you've "trained your mind!" Well, that sure beats training your body.
Less perspiration and all...




Why bother gaining physical stills and testing yourself when you can just sit on your fat ass and "train your mind"?

Obviously training means something diffrent to you than the rest of us. You immediately equate training your mind with sitting and resting.

I equate training my mind as simulating the situation physically to see how my body will react. I can't zombify people with my mind like you WWE rasslin' fans do.

[jubaji]

Do I think someone who has never ever in their life practiced with a mindset on said situation, going to be better than some one who has? No!



If a guy jumps out from behind a car with a knife, I have trained my mind to react to that. .

LOL! Oh, you've "trained your mind!" Well, that sure beats training your body.
Less perspiration and all...




Why bother gaining physical stills and testing yourself when you can just sit on your fat ass and "train your mind"?

[kingoftheforest]

"Yeahbut, yeahbut, yeahbut!"






LOL@ theory boys...

Damn if this is the best you can do maybe you need to take a vacation and ride you hog some.

[kingoftheforest]

And which arguments may those be, KOTF? Did I ever say anything WOULD work in a street situation? Or did I simply say that it was insanity to claim that:
"this article proves I can take a knife away from a mugger and fight off his friends after being stabbed because his instructor knows my instructor and we are OH-so-cool, and EVERYONE else is WRONG! And WRONG to DOUBT my WORD, because I am GOD! Stab me once, stab me twice, I have a manuever that makes me bulletproof!"...???



Really? really???

You know what the Alex Gong incident "proved"? Running after an armed carjacker is a bad idea. You know what Uke's article proved...? Sometimes the good guys get away. Same thing as what Jubaji's articles "prove".

The only people who ever claimed to be bullet proof were Gracie nut huggers. You don't like people misrepresenting your words don't do it to others.

I have never claimed what I practice is best or even right for everyone.

What I think is BS is some one who thinks wrestling a knife wielding assailant is a good idea is insane.

Do I think grabbing, high kicking, tackling or grappling a person holding a knife is a good idea. No!

Do I think someone who has never ever in their life practiced with a mindset on said situation, going to be better than some one who has? No!

I guarantee if a monkey flew out of my ass right now and attacked me I wouldn't know crap about what to do because I've never trained for that.

If a guy jumps out from behind a car with a knife, I have trained my mind to react to that. Would I win, who knows, I have been attacked with a knife 2 times. I was stabbed both times but managed to incapacitate my opponent.

These guys had no skill with the knives and they were crappy knives, those are some huge factors in the situations.

But to claim that it's ok to square off and try and grab, hold, or wrestle a knife is crazy. You don't want to rush in and get closer to the weapon.

But, whatever. Far be it from me to strip your delusions away.

Then stop saying you're gonna quit and do it already.

BTW I never mentioned you so if your ego is bruised it's because you jumped off your pedestal to fast to come down here and yell at us lowly know nothings.

What will our logic and facts and all.

[jubaji]

"Yeahbut, yeahbut, yeahbut!"






LOL@ theory boys...