Mugging in NYC

[kingoftheforest]

Apparently the guy had some training in what to do in a similar situation.

I will admit I personally have never trained starting from an already been stabbed position, but there's proof it happens.

The main thing is he kept his head enough to immediately react by going on the offensive. He was armed which evened the playing field. He reacted instead of freezing up, which gave him a modicum of the element of surprise on his attackers.

He did exactly what RBSD theory tells you to do. Attack quickly brutally and until nothing is with in your danger zone.

He had only moments to react and asses the situation so he reacted on instinct and what he trained his mind and body to do in similar simulations during training.

I say good for him. he's proof you can defend yourself.

You are the first line of defense against violent crime.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

[jubaji]

I haven't quit now and never have before.

Oh yes, of course, evidently...

[Uke]

Uke...you've completely missed my point and you seem to have taken my posts as an opportunity to rail against a number of things which I do not represent. Muay thai isn't all I've trained in.

As for your dirth of experience and your particular brand of RBSD... I have no clue what it even is...because you have never stated what it is. So far all I see is a bunch of whiny bitching on your part, not mine.

Osu? Kyokushin based? Really? Really Uke?

The only somewhat efficient knife work I have ever seen is based out of the FMA- pekiti and dekiti tirsia, sayoc, the stuff put out by shivworks, inosanto camp stuff, and the stuff put out by the dog brothers and gabe suarez recently. Would you call that stuff RBSD? Some of it is set up in a similar format...

The man who created my system has master rank under Gaje, Presas and Marinas and was friends with Bo Sayoc. I would call anyone profcient in CQC blade arts combative practitioners, but not necessarily modern RBSD. As Tant01 once said "a self defense system is a bullet in your head", but I'd add that its more a technique than a system, and there's nothing modern about pointing and pulling. But it sure is effective!

Since you seem to be very interested in videos as they seem to be your main source of exposure, perhaps you would be interested in exploring this site: Martial Arts Video Reviews 1-100

You may be interested in the reviews. Good luck with that.

In other words, you quit. Run along now boy...

I haven't quit now and never have before. I just have a life outside of posting on this site. I had some free time and decided to come back to the site and write a couple of things, but as I stated earlier I have better things to do with my time than fight "fire with fire" in childish exchanges with you.

I'd like to know what the guy in the article studied since it seemed to work.

Right in the first post, brother.

[jubaji]

There's so much I could say.

But as its been pointed out to me, the way I've been carrying on with certain wastes of time reflects a whole lot more on me than it does on them. The more I thought about that the more I realized that while I would proudly share my posts on SD and MA with people I know, I wouldn't ever want them to read a post were I acted like jubaji regardless as to if it were in response to his constant and creepy harassment.

I believe that every point I wished to make in this topic has already been made.

I'll just sit back and see how much further Garland and jubaji can take the subject. It isn't fair not to give them opportunity to express themselves and let them help others with their understanding of modern self defense and the proponents who helped to change it over the last 50 something years.

I stand by what I wrote about the news story though, and appreciate those who showed their support.

I think it will be interesting to see where they take the discussion. Possibly TTE and KOTF will offer their ideas as well.

In other words, you quit. Run along now boy...

[kingoftheforest]

I'd like to know what the guy in the article studied since it seemed to work.

[Uke]

There's so much I could say.

But as its been pointed out to me, the way I've been carrying on with certain wastes of time reflects a whole lot more on me than it does on them. The more I thought about that the more I realized that while I would proudly share my posts on SD and MA with people I know, I wouldn't ever want them to read a post were I acted like jubaji regardless as to if it were in response to his constant and creepy harassment.

I believe that every point I wished to make in this topic has already been made.

I'll just sit back and see how much further Garland and jubaji can take the subject. It isn't fair not to give them opportunity to express themselves and let them help others with their understanding of modern self defense and the proponents who helped to change it over the last 50 something years.

I stand by what I wrote about the news story though, and appreciate those who showed their support.

I think it will be interesting to see where they take the discussion. Possibly TTE and KOTF will offer their ideas as well.

[jubaji]

I'm sure Ju can do better than this? Show me something creative! LOL

Gimme a break, I'm going on 2 hours of sleep here.

[Tant01]

Third grade

Waaaaa!!! He started it!!! Waaaaa!!!

I'm sure Ju can do better than this? Show me something creative! LOL

[jubaji]

Got your point. I wouldn't have been condescending at all had he began his part in this discussion in a civil manner. Maybe you should go back a bit and see how he set the tone.

Waaaaa!!! He started it!!! Waaaaa!!!

[Uke]

You don't need to be shot or cut or stabbed or hit from behind with a two by four (or a frickin brick). You don't need to bleed or suffer or heal or try to forget the trauma you've seen or inflicted to KNOW that it's ALL going to HURT.

Spare me the hospital bills, felony assault charges, civil suits and jail. You can have all the limping and stitches and scars!

You only need to do any of that to KNOW HOW BAD it HURTS.

Now, go hit your thumb with a hammer so you can tell every carpenter in the world how to drive a nail, what an EXPERT you are on the subject and that everyone else who hits their own thumb is doing it wrong.

Words on the forum sometimes say more about the author than the reader...YANNO?

I challenge you to be less condescending and slightly more thoughtful?

Thanks UKE!

Got your point. I wouldn't have been condescending at all had he began his part in this discussion in a civil manner. Maybe you should go back a bit and see how he set the tone. I'm purposefully condescending at this point, Tant.

But your points still ring true.

[Tant01]

Phui...

Throughout your entire post, all you offer is opinion based on more opinion. That's why it’s apparent to everyone here that what you have to say is book learned rather then apparent from experience. Your statistics and theories mean nothing here, and your doubt isn't even reasonable. Your doubt is just cynical for the purposes of covering up the fact that you haven't been exposed to serious violence outside of frat parties and friendly gatherings where a pushing match breaks out.

..... Now go run along and act like you know about that too.

You don't need to be shot or cut or stabbed or hit from behind with a two by four (or a frickin brick). You don't need to bleed or suffer or heal or try to forget the trauma you've seen or inflicted to KNOW that it's ALL going to HURT.

Spare me the hospital bills, felony assault charges, civil suits and jail. You can have all the limping and stitches and scars!

You only need to do any of that to KNOW HOW BAD it HURTS.

Now, go hit your thumb with a hammer so you can tell every carpenter in the world how to drive a nail, what an EXPERT you are on the subject and that everyone else who hits their own thumb is doing it wrong.

Words on the forum sometimes say more about the author than the reader...YANNO?

I challenge you to be less condescending and slightly more thoughtful?

Thanks UKE!

[jubaji]

men who had high rank in other arts like muay thai, BJJ, kung fu, karate, jujitsu, judo, aikido, boxing, escrima, tae kwon do ... and they all come to my teachers after being in a street altercation that made them realize that what they had spent years learning didn't prepare them for what they faced that night of awakening.

Wow, all of them? I believe you thiiiiiiis much .


What a clown.

In fact, I can almost guarantee that at least one or two of them have said out loud "Osu!" while reading some of the things that I've written, but what do you know about that?

Oh brother....

[Uke]

When Brewer mentioned Boar after he himself banned Boar and I complained I got told to stop being a whiny bitch!

So here to all you people who piss and moan because Screwer "aint here to defend himnself".

STOP BEING WHINY BITCHES.


Now back to the subject at hand already in progress.

Amen to that, brother.

Ooops ...did that seem to churchy for you, DJForest???

[Uke]

Okay Uke...just because I thought it was low to mention Brewer without him being able to defend his opinions... DOES NOT MEAN that I am Brewer or share his beliefs. Also my beliefs are MY OWN and do not necessarily reflect those of anyone I train alongside or have trained with.

You obviously have juxtaposed the two of us for some odd reason, and have missed my main point, which is simply- THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET WHEN KNIVES ARE INVOLVED...in fact...I doubt that any amount of any type of training could prepare somebody for a serious stabbing...and at the very most you are simply raising your odds of survival slightly.

In fact...most HONEST RBSD guys agree with me on that point. If you want I will take the time to find it in print, since that is what you apparently seem to value most. As for experience...I have seen two stabbings with my own eyes, and dealt with the aftermath of three.

What I find interesting is that you seem to think that I think combat sports will be any more effective...which I never even alluded to, EVER! In fact we agree firmly on several points, which for some reason you seem to miss...
The only up that combat sport practitioners have in an encounter involving a weapon over RBSD practitioners...is that most of the combat athletes can put foot to pavement in the other direction alot faster and keep it up longer.

RBSD guys die less often in knife encounters than combat athletes acording to the news? Come on! What is a more memorable and publishable piece ; "ex-champ Ego McGee got stabbed by a drunk fan" or "Joe-schmoe knifed over his wallet in an alley" ? Really??

And as for your bragging rights over who's been in more violent situations... you CAN HAVE IT. I avoid conflict like the plague...if you pride yourself on picking fights or being in them...well...that's a rather severe issue you'll have to live with.

Could you bet your life that you could take a knife away or disable a knifer? Are you that confident...? To me...that sounds like insanity.

I agree you do what you have to do to survive an edged weapons encounter...but ENGAGING somebody is a last ditch attempt at this.
I carry a knife. I know how to deploy it and haved deployed one for "self defense". I know how to use it.

Whatever type of individual you are trying to typify with your analogies to "Billy Blanks wannabees" ... I am a poor example.

I wonder how many of the people you are attempting to ridicule cross train in some sort of edged weapons training or firearms training and walk around armed???



And if I am guilty of hubris or ignorance...it is just another thing WE have in COMMON.

Throughout your entire post, all you offer is opinion based on more opinion. That's why it’s apparent to everyone here that what you have to say is book learned rather then apparent from experience. Your statistics and theories mean nothing here, and your doubt isn't even reasonable. Your doubt is just cynical for the purposes of covering up the fact that you haven't been exposed to serious violence outside of frat parties and friendly gatherings where a pushing match breaks out.

No one ever claimed that anything was guaranteed or a "silver bullet". The man in this story can tell you that. HE GOT STABBED IN THE GUT, SHERLOCK!!!! No one is completely safe and like Tant01(*groan* he beat me to it) pointed out RBSD doesn't make claims like Helio Gracie's statement likening BJJ to a bullet proof shield. RBSD doesn't grant you "spider sense" either. It does however train you to move passed panic, execute finishing force in the most expedient manner, survey the situation and get the hell out of there. In the time it took the man in this incident to finish his attackers and call for help you'd either be laid out bleeding or still tae-bo kicking and punching at three men who were armed.

Most RBSD "guys" that you've had contact with might tell you anything. The RBSD pioneers that I have known throughout my life told and taught me what I am telling you.

I don't think that you think anything, Garland. I responded to what you wrote, which was a representation of what you think. I don't have to assume what you know to make certain statements. The ignorant things you write tell on you like a bratty little brother. And that's not me calling you a name. That's me recognizing that you write about what little you do know and then fill in the obvious holes with your own assumptions about training you've never had.

And yes RBSD practitioners die less. My entire time spent in the martial arts community has been around men who had high rank in other arts like muay thai, BJJ, kung fu, karate, jujitsu, judo, aikido, boxing, escrima, tae kwon do ... and they all come to my teachers after being in a street altercation that made them realize that what they had spent years learning didn't prepare them for what they faced that night of awakening.

In fact, in most noteworthy RBSD systems, more than 50-60% of the white belts have black belts in other systems! They don't just wander off the street and say "Make me a street fighter". They all have been placed in situations that forced them to admit to themselves that although the loved what they did for years, it wasn't made to keep them alive or even safe when it counted. No one would spend 10 years practicing a system in an effort to master and compete in it and then just completely abandon that training all of a sudden in favor of something else if that new training didn't offer something totally different that appealed to their need to accomplish an end.

I don't have to bet my life, Garland. I have defended against and taken away knives. I didn't get cut either, but then again that wasn't guaranteed. Getting cut wasn't my biggest worry nor should it be anyone’s. Where I got cut before I could finish was. If you're waiting for me to write some grandiose bar fight story like Brewer used to then you'll be waiting until you stop breathing. The funny thing about Brewer in this context is that he wrote dozens of stories and even started a topic called "Story time", but in probably his best post ever he stated:

7. People who can accurately recount all the details of their fights weren't actually there.

That was probably the truest thing he ever wrote. Yet he wrote post after post recounting many details and telling hero stories for the children here around the proverbial campfire. I don't have to remember details to know training. You on the other hand are left doubting because you have no idea what training lies outside of tae-bo tactics. You are sitting here, telling people who have seen it, learned it and done it that it can't be done with regularity.

Maybe you get mugged with regularity on the mean streets of Salt Lake City Garland, but even here in NYC few people get mugged with any regularity unless they're being targeted by a specific group. Corrections officers, who are called NY's boldest, use these tactics more than police or the military. They are locked in with NY's worst for 12 hour shifts, and they don't have guns or blades. The prisoners often have all types of nasty improvised weapons. I can tell you that they aren't using muay thai, boxing or any other tae-bo method to stay alive.

This isn't about bragging rights. This about what I know thanks to better men. This is what I have learned thanks to the benefit of their experience. This is about what I can state with confidence because the knowledge that they passed on has worked many times over for me. This isn't "Uke's method". This is modern RBSD's method. Many of the guys that you talk to here aren't from the same system as me, but those guys know that what I'm saying is true because they also are rooted in the same principles. In fact, I can almost guarantee that at least one or two of them have said out loud "Osu!" while reading some of the things that I've written, but what do you know about that?

Its like DJForest said and I'm sure he was referring to you, but not only you:

Now here's the kick in the ass............you're trying to explain rocket science to monkeys.

You're getting the same response, a lot of confused looks and lots of shit flinging.

If you think I'm ignorant that's fine, Garland. I KNOW that you're ignorant. That's not the same as stupid. Its just an absence of knowledge. I think you're an articulate guy, but it seems that you're trying to extend your grasp of science and philosophy to include methods of combat that you clearly haven't ever been exposed to except for on the internet.

In your last response, like in the first, you exaggerate the scope of my explanations of RBSD in order to find points to argue. You imply things like "never can", "couldn't ever" and "always will" and pretend that those are my words or sentiments. Hence, the silver bullet analogy. You have no real argument, only whimsical jabs and uninformed doubt that lead you to tell those who have done a thing for years that it cannot be done.

That would be where the hubris and ignorance come in, spanky.

You do your best to mention RBSD systems and icons ...

I sincerely doubt any of the "it's too deadly to practice on another person" WWII RBSD/Cestari/Nelson/Fairbairn ..

... because that's all you know. You hear about a couple of names, then look them up on the internet and consider yourself enough of an authority to discuss them. That's like if I decided to talk about magic tricks I could say "Oh yeah ... Magic/David Blaine/Criss Angel/Harry Houdini". I'd be basically bullshitting my way through a conversation because I knew two or three names that I could mention to seem in the know. Name dropping and knowing shit are two different things.

And psssss ... *whispering* WWII RBSD ain't the only RBSD out there, spanky. Hasn't been since WWII ended. Now go run along and act like you know about that too.

[kingoftheforest]

When Brewer mentioned Boar after he himself banned Boar and I complained I got told to stop being a whiny bitch!

So here to all you people who piss and moan because Screwer "aint here to defend himnself".

STOP BEING WHINY BITCHES.


Now back to the subject at hand already in progress.