The Wrasslin' and Tae-bo approach to disarming a knife

[Uke]

Since so many members here base their opinions and judgement on vid clips:

YouTube - Realistic Knife Defence Training

If you ever wanted a good look at what wrasslin' and doing tae-bo in a knife fight looks like then this video is for you. Pay close attention to the utter and complete lack of any technique or method. Notice the target pushing the armed attacker. Holding on for dear life is the preferred method for people who only know how to kickbox or roll around on the floor wrasslin'.

Also, read the comments below the video. The comments there show that not everybody in the world trains in a virtual bubble where disarming methods don't exist and running and holding on for dear life are your only options.

One of the comments I liked was:

As for running you "run " (no pun intended) the risk of him running faster, now your back is to your attacker and your defenses are down. In my mind running is only an option after you've made certain your attacker CAN'T.

Just an opinion.

The rest of the comments on that page show just as much contrast to the usual drivel written here by tae-bo and wrasslin' advocates for SD.

[jubaji]

What's the matter pUke, you keep getting threads shut down with your constant string of lies so you need to open a new one to carry on with your bullshit? Are you afraid people will forget you are an asshole or something? You need not worry on that score.

[Tom Yum]

No amount of empty handed martial arts training will protect you from this kind of assault.

LiveLeak.com - 23 seconds of the Mexican drug war

There was an unarmed guard sitting next to the door, who tried to intervene and got leveled. If he had a loaded shotgun, it might have turned out differently.

[TTEscrima]

Holding on for dear life is the preferred method for people who only know how to kickbox or roll around on the floor wrasslin'.

Well the guy with the knife certainly prefers it when the victim grabs on and tries to wrestle.

There is a prison guard who posts regularly at several forums I read, he often posts about the stabbings and such that occur. He has a huge post about a guy who tried to suplex his attacker, He received 14 stab wounds and died on the way to the prison medical facility. He's posted a number of these reports and always stresses that those who attempt to grapple the knife attack always lose the confrontation and usually their life as well. I'd imagine Tanto1 is familiar with his posts, any salient points I forgot to mention about LR's experiences and reports?

[TTEscrima]

No amount of empty handed martial arts training will protect you from this kind of attack.

LiveLeak.com - 23 seconds of the Mexican drug war

This is violence at its absolute worst.

Uh, Tom, WTF?????????? You're USUALLY not stupid, did you have a bad day of training? Did a telephone pole get dropped on your head? WTF do 3 guys with machine guns mowing down people who never saw them coming have to do with knife SD? Oh yeah nadda damn thing, but you somehow felt compelled to post something to divert attention away from the fact that wrestling and ring arts knife defenses are non existent. Assassinations of political figures and public servants and their bodyguards have ZERO place in evaluation of ring arts and their abilities, so why did you choose an assassination as your video of choice?

[Uke]

Awww .. don't get mad you wrasslin' wabbit!

Not at all, jubaji. I just find that its easier to post evidence that people nearly everywhere else other than this forum have common sense rather than trying to argue that point. Closing a thread doesn't mean that it wasn't written, didn't happen or isn't still there. It'll remain there to remind you and Cousin Balki that even when you combine your minds you still fall short a decent idea.

Humiliating you isn't a destination jubaji, is an enjoyable ride that never ends.

Did the video look familiar? It plays out just like you describe your encounter in "A Young Man's Tale", except the men in this video weren't drunk and ready to be taken advantage of. Is that the same way you trained your "holding on for dear life" tactic? If you actually watched the video, you see some of them throwing low kicks and moving back and forth trying to get room to tae-bo their way out.

How long does it take to become proficient like that, jubaji? I only ask you because you seem to be very intimate with this approach since you've been wrestling since you "hit the ground". Does it take very long? I suppose not because the woman from Italy in the story you posted did the exact same thing and she had no training whatsoever. I'm sure if she had done it correctly, it would have looked more like this video, right?

I would think that you'd appreciate a video like this one. It supports you argument doesn't it, jubaji? I'm actually agreeing with you and you're being so cold and callous. I now see that wrasslin' knives can be done if you plan on being stabbed at will and sacrificing your body as a shield.

Aren't you going to contribute here, jubaji? Come on, man. Its just a little martial arts talk.

You know how much I value your opinion.

[jubaji]

Uh, Tom, WTF?????????? You're USUALLY not stupid, did you have a bad day of training? ?

Here we go.

[Uke]

Uh, Tom, WTF?????????? You're USUALLY not stupid, did you have a bad day of training? Did a telephone pole get dropped on your head? WTF do 3 guys with machine guns mowing down people who never saw them coming have to do with knife SD? Oh yeah nadda damn thing, but you somehow felt compelled to post something to divert attention away from the fact that wrestling and ring arts knife defenses are non existent. Assassinations of political figures and public servants and their bodyguards have ZERO place in evaluation of ring arts and their abilities, so why did you choose an assassination as your video of choice?

I honestly think that was Tommy's way of trying to be cute TTE, and possibly bring some levity to the discussion at hand. If it wasn't ... well then what you said!

[jubaji]

Not at all, jubaji. I just find that its easier to post evidence that people nearly everywhere else other than this forum have common sense rather than trying to argue that point. Closing a thread doesn't mean that it wasn't written, didn't happen or isn't still there.

Sure, all your lies and mischaracterizations are there for all to see. How many lies do you intend to post here before you force this thread to be closed?

[Tom Yum]

Uh, Tom, WTF?????????? You're USUALLY not stupid, did you have a bad day of training? Did a telephone pole get dropped on your head? WTF do 3 guys with machine guns mowing down people who never saw them coming have to do with knife SD? Oh yeah nadda damn thing, but you somehow felt compelled to post something to divert attention away from the fact that wrestling and ring arts knife defenses are non existent. Assassinations of political figures and public servants and their bodyguards have ZERO place in evaluation of ring arts and their abilities, so why did you choose an assassination as your video of choice?

My point wasn't to divert attention at all, rather that sometimes no matter what kind of training you have, you can be overcome since fighting is more often than not about using the right tactics & techniques with suprise on your side.

I don't have anything against wrestling, it has its place and its not a bad base for certain kinds of fighting but to each their own.

Gotta run. See you guys later.

[Tant01]

Last time we spoke....

Well the guy with the knife certainly prefers it when the victim grabs on and tries to wrestle...

There is a prison guard who posts regularly at several forums I read, he often posts about the stabbings and such that occur. He has a huge post about a guy who tried to suplex his attacker, He received 14 stab wounds and died on the way to the prison medical facility. He's posted a number of these reports and always stresses that those who attempt to grapple the knife attack always lose the confrontation and usually their life as well. I'd imagine Tanto1 is familiar with his posts, any salient points I forgot to mention about LR's experiences and reports?

Yeah... Jim's a good guy. Nice to read he's still posting. I don't get to his stuff much these days.

I know that folks like Michael ("Don't judge my art by your crappy standards") Janich don't think much of him bashing so called blade arts.

The man has his days, I'll say that much.

[Uke]

Sure, all your lies and mischaracterizations are there for all to see. How many lies do you intend to post here before you force this thread to be closed?

What lies?

Let's list it:

You are a wrestler.

You've dabbled in tai chi and unspecified kung fu.

You've traveled to China and Japan.

You've worked out with people from various disciplines.

You have practiced kendo, kempo and aikido for "a while"

Self admittedly got into a fight with a drunk guy after he belted you in the jawbone and when he pulled a knife you commenced to suplexing him, which shows that either you lied about your other training or you have absolutely no growth.

If all you could do is fall back on what you started out doing then you were just going through the motions when studying the other arts. You learned nothing, or at least nothing worth using in your mind, and so when the side of your face got hot after being smacked, you went back to doing what you had some measure of success doing.

Tell me ... where are the lies? What have I exaggerated or misrepresented? Was me accusing you of using pure semantics a stretch?

That's kind of hard to say, because by the time I started learning something of TCMA I had already been wrestling for 15 years and already had an unfortunately high amount of experience with real fights, so what I then additionally learned didn't 'stand alone' such that I could definitively say "that's X" in the heat of the moment. Also, since I dabbled (addmittedly, a year or two or three here and there and picking up a little sharing stuff with friends is only 'dabbling' in the larger picture) in so many things and since, of course, so much is common to many MAs, it would in any case be hard to say "this is X" or "that is Y" again, in the heat of the moment. I will say that the experience has influenced how I perform in certain circumstances.

If that quote isn't the epitome of semantics then nothing is! And as if that wasn't loopy, shallow and hollow enough you went on to write:

That's just it, "this is technique X and that is technique Y" doesn't really come up when shit's going down. It's not like cartoons and bad movies where the 'hero' calls out each technique as he hurls it at his opponent. A lot of things, like when to push and when to pull, when to be strong and when to 'yield' and all that are somewhat universal and certainly things I was familiar with long before I got to TCMA. At a certain level, a punch is a punch is a kick is a kick is a throw, etc. Not meaning to be evasive, but that's how I see it. Or maybe I'm just not considering your question carefully enough right now. I'm just popping in and out of here while working on other things that require more concentration.

I will say that my wrestling experience enhanced and was positively influenced by every other thing I've trained.

LMAO ... how many catch phrases and corny MA proverbs could you fit in one post? Those posts that you wrote were meant to share your ideas about self defense situations. There was no substance in them whatsoever. The bulk of it was wrasslin' and dabbling with other things that you clearly cannot use as seen during the slapping of your face.

Again, where are the lies? What have I exaggerated or misrepresented?

You've been careful not to take a stance on the mugging topic and let your cohort Cousin Balki do all the talking about running, awareness and avoidance. That was your usual cowardly M.O.(refusing to debate and only commenting from the sidelines), but at least you're consistent.

See the problem with you is that you constantly make some one's statement into something else, and then cry like the mongrel that you are when its done back to you. You pretend like anyone has said that "NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK!" when no one has ever said that. What has been said is that there are methods created solely for the purposes of dealing with edged weapons. These methods are tried and true because they were created by some of the best weapons practitioners and used and tested in violent situations where blades were present.

We waste so much time refuting your lies that nothing else can be discussed. So how does it feel, ju-bark!-ji? Everyone here could have told you that wrestling wasn't the best or even an intelligent approach. A desperate one? Yes. A smart one? No. Still no one said that it couldn't work. Anything has a chance to work, despite how vulnerable it leaves you. Hell, Ricky Jay throws playing cards into watermelons like daggers and even tried to sell the idea to the Pentagon but you won't ever catch me trying that shit in a real fight. Not because its impossible for it to work, but because there are better and more reliable methods.

Still, you are clearly an idiot and a waste of time. No one has to lie on you to make that apparent. You don't actually write anything to ridicule as anything you write would ridicule itself. I'm sure you know that and that's why you're careful to keep it short and stupid. The last creative writing effort you attempted turned out to be a "Young Mongel's Tale", and even you knew you looked stupid because you started out by writing "let the flaming begin".

The only thing inquiring minds want to know is ... When you got on the mat with Hatsumi sensei, did you get a chance to suplex the ninja? LMAOOOOOOO

[jubaji]

What lies?

These ones:

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/chinese-martial-arts/29849-kung-fu-mma-18.html

You lying sack of crap

[jubaji]

which shows that either you lied about your other training or you have absolutely no growth.

If all you could do is fall back on what you started out doing then you were just going through the motions when studying the other arts.

Holy shit you're stupid.



Care to actually think about it for a second and try again, moron?

[jubaji]

LMAO ... how many catch phrases and corny MA proverbs could you fit in one post?

What the proverb was in any of that?