street applicable brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

[jubaji]

What have you used?

I don't "use" anything. If I get into a scrap (a very rare event in my advancing years) I just do whatever I have to do. I reckon everything I've ever done, trained, or competed in (long story) plays a part depending on the circumstances. If someone has competed for 100 years but has never been in a scrap in the street then he won't necessarily be ready for it. If someone has done 'technique X' 1000 times in the training hall but has never so much as executed it 'live' in that training hall let alone been in a scrap in the street then he is more likely than not to get his ass handed to him in said scrap.

[Tant01]

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/urban-street-combatives-r-b-m/30056-discussion-what-makes-good-seld-defense-cirriculum.html

Lets not forget that "self defense" is a legal term. you may want to keep an attorney on retainer if you can afford GJJ/BJJ. And some decent medical insurance!

[Sagacious Lu]

What have you used? What were the circumstances of the fight? What martial art do you practice/compete in? I still don't have any replies that address (Why) to anything I wrote. I supplied techniques with explanations of why I felt they were or were not street applicable. I woule like a response in the same format. Explain why.

Check out the thread Tant01 posted. Be warned though, you're never going to be able to have a rational conversation about grappling with the larpers; they're way too insecure for that.

[aware]

the mind

I don't "use" anything. If I get into a scrap (a very rare event in my advancing years) I just do whatever I have to do. I reckon everything I've ever done, trained, or competed in (long story) plays a part depending on the circumstances. If someone has competed for 100 years but has never been in a scrap in the street then he won't necessarily be ready for it. If someone has done 'technique X' 1000 times in the training hall but has never so much as executed it 'live' in that training hall let alone been in a scrap in the street then he is more likely than not to get his ass handed to him in said scrap.

The psychological differences in all of us when the "real fight" happens are vast. The levels of fear, apprehension, anxiety, or the other side; aggression, anger, determination are all determined by the moment and who this other person is. I say this, because these factors play a massive role in "pulling" any technique or strategy from your arsenal. Live sparring or drilling at 100% on a regular basis undoubtedly drowns out that initial physical and psychological shock (panic) of an actual fight. Of course, this depends on the person (psychologically) and the circumstances leading up to the fight. I can say that a man or woman who does take any style of fight training seriously, has the upper hand in a real fight. This is what separates the martial artist from the "tough guy" brawlers out there that like trouble. Those who do what they "feel" they have to do often make some real mistakes against those that have a plan, and have the ability to tap into their advantage of intelect. No doubt, can some of these tough guys be a serious threat, if they are determined and ruthless. Thats part of what I addressed in the first thread.
No live sparring,drilling, or competition seems to mimick the flood of emotions that are present in a real fight, but it does seems to dampen the shock of initial physical contact. Once the shock is done, the mind can focus and function, for some, not all.
I do very much agree with what you said about someone executing a technique 1000 times without the "live" factor, not doing much in competition or a real fight. The choregraphed moves on a fully compliant partner do nothing for mind and body. The some of the more insecure martial artists will get pissed at this, but, I think even they can admit to themselves in the privacy of their own minds that this is true, from experience in a real fight or not. The belt looks cool in the mirror though.

[aware]

why?

Check out the thread Tant01 posted. Be warned though, you're never going to be able to have a rational conversation about grappling with the larpers; they're way too insecure for that.

You still not have addressed why. I do not place myself in a category at all. I am not a "grappler". I like to expand my mind around all inclusive concepts that I can use in my job when necessary,and refelct on "should have" in the past. So if you have a reply that includes why, in YOUR words, I am interested. Again, I am interested in original material, your perceptions.

[WildWest.]

Seems like it would be less trouble to stay out of trouble.

Quote of the day and the cornerstone of any effective self defence system.

[WildWest.]

Aware,

How many street fight situations have you been in and how have you used your BJJ to such an effect?

I face hostile situations every week.....I don't do BJJ and to be honest probably won't ever need to because it just isn't practical enough.

[kingoftheforest]

You still not have addressed why. I do not place myself in a category at all. I am not a "grappler". I like to expand my mind around all inclusive concepts that I can use in my job when necessary,and refelct on "should have" in the past. So if you have a reply that includes why, in YOUR words, I am interested. Again, I am interested in original material, your perceptions.

Well the opening post in the thread Tant posted are my original ideas in my words, so go read it maybe.

Nobody here likes to repeat what has already been said in print a thousand times, just cause a noob thinks he's to good to go read.

[TTEscrima]

Why do I find find BJJ useless for SD? Because I haven't been in a one on one fight without any weapons since high school.

Any squabble you can control with BJJ was likely not a SD situation in the first place, it was a macho squabble you chose to participate in...that isn't SD.

[Tant01]

Exactly...

Why do I find find BJJ useless for SD? Because I haven't been in a one on one fight without any weapons since high school.

LOL I almost said the EXACT same thing! hehehehe!

Experience is a bitter teacher...

[TTEscrima]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tant01 again.

If I could give a third of the rep I try to give you.

[Sagacious Lu]

Why do I find find BJJ useless for SD? Because I haven't been in a one on one fight without any weapons since high school.

How many fights have you been in WITH weapons? If you have, under what circumstances?

[TTEscrima]

How many fights have you been in WITH weapons? If you have, under what circumstances?

Here we go.

I'm not going to provide you with a list of experiences so you can evaluate my lifestyle and proclaim that you don't venture outside the safe zones so it doesn't apply.

Suffice it to say I grew up in the 60's went to school during the race riots, spent 20 plus years in Military police work and many many hours in seedy parts of the world in seedy bars. Yes, I chose to live outside the sheep pen you choose to exist inside.

Guess what bucko, sometimes the wolves get in the pen with you sheep.

That's when you're given advice like duck under your desk and wait your turn to be shot quietly.

Or a couple of them with box cutters take a couple hundred of you hostage and fly your plane into a building. So all the sheep put a flag on their car and waited for the sheep handler to applaud their efforts.

Others walk up and take your kids, your wallets, your cars, your homes, and you just move into gated communities.

Thats your right, don't expect me to help you justify it.

Mike Brewer worked in the rich mall with valet parking in Colorado Springs. He posted at least 3 knife fights he was in and a car that hit him in a hit and run assault in his short stint there, now if you believed all his stories...lets not forget he worked in bars so dangerous he had too poison the customers, and you want to believe GJJ is sufficient for SD?

[Sagacious Lu]

Here we go.

I'm not going to provide you with a list of experiences so you can evaluate my lifestyle and proclaim that you don't venture outside the safe zones so it doesn't apply.

Before you jump to anymore conclusions about me understand that the accused in this article:

Bessemer man charged in fatal Birmingham nightclub stabbing - Breaking News from The Birmingham News - al.com

Is a friend of a friend. I don't know if I've met him personally but I do know I've seen him perform, and a lot of my friends did know him and are horrified at what's happening. The story I heard was that he didn't pull out his knife until he was being shit-kicked by three guys in the bathroom. Other people think he stabbed the "victim" in order to take revenge for the lethal dose of drugs the dead guy sold to his friend. Still others think it was just over someone bumping into someone else in a crowded night club. I don't pretend to know what really happened. I'm bringing this up because the comments on the article say a lot about what you can expect if you ever do use a knife, but also to let you know what sort of "safe zones" I travel through.
I repeat, how many fights with weapons have you been in? How have you exhonerated yourself when you have used your weapons?

[TTEscrima]

I repeat, how many fights with weapons have you been in? How have you exhonerated yourself when you have used your weapons?

Hehehe so you know someone who knows someone who was stabbed. oooh you're right, you're an authority on SD.

I dunno how many fights I've been in skippy, I never counted, been to the emergency room 4 times though.

Court once, I told the truth, the other parties didn't, I was believed, they were not...they had a history of taking peoples things by force, I didn't have a history of attacking people in the parking lot.

In not one of those fights was any sort of GJJ applicable.

But I'm curious why guys like you and Arieson who have zilch experience feel so qualified to debate the subject with people who have actual first hand experience.

You were mouthy in the military combatives debate, but you've never been in the military, you were mouthy in the police work martial arts thread but you've never done that either, and you're always mouthy in the urban SD threads but you've never been in a fight...from where does all your experience to question and argue come?


You always feel the second hand stories from your friends or stories of school teachers suplexing attackers with knives validate your belief that GJJ and MMA are important for SD.

Are you an authority because you watch MMA? Or do you have a ring record? Surely you have some sort of experience in one of the subjects you spend so much time and effort blathering about.

Since you've never been is any sort of actual fight, why are you so invested in telling people how and what is best for SD?

An even better question is what qualifies someone who has never been in a fight nor the military to argue whats the best type of training for the military to use in its H2H program?

Can you explain that?

It's bad enough you want to advise women on how they should defend themselves (yep, you're in the women's SD forum giving advice too) but you even have advice for soldiers and the police and the FBI if I recall correctly.

So, what qualifies you to to post on all these subjects?

It seems you are far more qualified to give advice on the best types of snacks to eat while you sit on your ass and watch the UFC than advising people who are betting their lives on their skills which types of training they ought to their invest time in.

People like you amaze me, you have no freaking idea what you're talking about but you'll give out advice that could get someone raped or killed in any thread you can...all to support your favorite sport.