Kicks at the fight

[Tom Yum]

I'm just a practitioner of MA's like everyone here and enjoy these discussions, not only to think about my own training but to see what others are training and learn.

IMHO, kicks should never be used alone. It goes against the concept of fighting deceptively, takes you off balance (weather/terrain affects movement and balance) and like KOTF said, you want to maintain forward pressure while fighting in an urban environment. In a military urban environment, kicks seem better used very sparingly IMO since you may be operating in full battle rattle and you have better weapons to chose from.

There are TKD/TSD and other artists out there who can probably end a fight with a kick or two, even high and flashy, but this day in age there are more people practicing more MAs and I don't want to expose myself to a takedown/sweep if I don't have to. Try throwing a kick at an experienced grappler, like Jubs, and after you miss and finish chambering - you're exposed for a takedown.

The OP stated an opinion about the usefulness of kicks. In my opinion, they're a weapon to add to your fighting arsenal, to be used sparingly. Here are a few that I think are useful:

Thai kick is a good one, but never as an initial attack. Best used as a progressive indirect attack after hitting hard upstairs to get your opponent moving - preferably into the swing of the thai kick. Also decent defensive movement - your opponent is swinging for the fences upstairs - make him miss and run into the thai kick. Which target? That's up to you - if the guy is well padded in the midsection, I'd thrust the thai kick slightly downard at the thigh for femoral esp if wearing boots (ala Mo Smith vs. Tank Abbot). Thin as a rail? Liver, rib cage etc. Good to practice kick grab escapes/defenses if they are targeted above the thigh.

Push kick - works well to shock your opponent. If you land a push kick straight into the solar plexus, it'll take your opponents wind out. Also good to keep your opponent at kicking range or further if they're trying to close the gap (non-takedown entry) and you want to strike them with a long range weapon (baton, OC spray, muzzle jab etc).

Stomp kick - awesome at close range destruction. KOTF described it; makes me think of MCMAP curriculum - takes your opponents focus downstairs and opens up the top side for striking or grappling.

Knee kick - another close range favorite. Classic from the clinch - again, the clinch is not static - you've got a vice grip around your opponents head/neck when done properly and because you do, you can move him/her off balance and into the thrust of the knee kick. By keeping them constantly off balance, it makes it harder for them to attack, but I wouldn't hold the clinch longer than you have to because your nuts are exposed and you loose line of sight downstairs. You can pop your opponents head back up from the clinch, using a bicep bump and use the elbows or after delivering a knee, keep the clinch but let his head up slightly so you can ram the crown of your head into a facial target (headbutt).

Any other useful kicks?

[Da Pope]

Actually properly practiced the stomp kick can even be used in a clinch situation the targets are just a little different.

Yep

Also the shin kick requires an arch to generate power, which means it covers more distance and takes more time, it also takes away from forward pressure, which in an urban environment is something you want to keep applying in the fight.

I'm not with you on this. There are many ways to set up the shin kick none opf which really compromise you in the way you are suggesting. A matter of training I guess, if you dont train it in an effective way then you will probably always see it in this light.

The stomp kick when properly employed, does not mean lean back and kick like a teep kick but is applied with forward momentum and it doesn't end with the contact to the opponent, but instead you "step down" once contact is made as if you are going to walk up the person.

Well duhhhhhhhhh..

No, but I'll stick with what I feel is best and you have every right to do the same.

Tanks

See now if you stop and read instead of just jumping to conclusions than you can actually see my point, and use a bunch of big misspelled words to do it.

[kingoftheforest]

Any other useful kicks?

If you're wearing boots especially combat boots, an upward kick into the shin as a nice set up kick. It causes the opponent to lean in slightly so if you launch this kick while throwing a flurry of hand strikes you can time it to make the opponent lean into the strikes.

[Tom Yum]

infighting vs. kicking

YouTube - Honey Badger vs Monitor. Honey Badger owns Monitor Lizard.

mother nature prefers infighting lol

[kingoftheforest]

YouTube - Honey Badger vs Monitor. Honey Badger owns Monitor Lizard.

mother nature prefers infighting lol

They're not lying about the tails. I had a nile monitor and it opened my hand up with it's tail. I almost needed stitches.

[kingoftheforest]

Nice eye gouge in there too...

I like the lack of posturing and pumping themselves up, animals don't f*ck around they go right to it.

[kingoftheforest]

What I have found is that when you are using your hands well people try to defend against the hands and rarely even seen the kick.

Also kicks can make entry a real pain. Against a good kicker, getting in to boxing range can be nearly impossible without taking damage.

I know for a fact you can throw kicks and maintain forward pressure, I've spent the last 5 years integrating a kicks into a delivery system that contains hands and kicks with maximum utility and effect.

I can tell you, that the common sense ideas of kicks not being useful, or in any way detrimental to Self defense are completely wrong. When I finish my book you can all buy a copy and test it for yourself.

Single leg flying crane.

[jubaji]

I like the lack of posturing and pumping themselves up, animals don't f*ck around they go right to it.

Actually, animals posture and pump all the time.

[AREAL]

What I have found is that when you are using your hands well people try to defend against the hands and rarely even seen the kick.

Also kicks can make entry a real pain. Against a good kicker, getting in to boxing range can be nearly impossible without taking damage.

I know for a fact you can throw kicks and maintain forward pressure, I've spent the last 5 years integrating a kicks into a delivery system that contains hands and kicks with maximum utility and effect.

I can tell you, that the common sense ideas of kicks not being useful, or in any way detrimental to Self defense are completely wrong. When I finish my book you can all buy a copy and test it for yourself.

good to see you again, what's new

[AREAL]

you know, all you, who defend kicking, imagine the fight at the street, when you wear clothes, in boots

but, for an example. you were at the california beach at the summer, swimming. when you get out, only wearing your panties, you figure out someone is robbing you. when you reach your barbie bag, you have to fight. and your opponent has 2 years of muay thai experience. now honestly, do you really think straight kicks, side kicks, stomp kicks will do any damage

[kingoftheforest]

you know, all you, who defend kicking, imagine the fight at the street, when you wear clothes, in boots

but, for an example. you were at the california beach at the summer, swimming. when you get out, only wearing your panties, you figure out someone is robbing you. when you reach your barbie bag, you have to fight. and your opponent has 2 years of muay thai experience. now honestly, do you really think straight kicks, side kicks, stomp kicks will do any damage

Yes I do. Well not side kicks. You don't have to.

[kingoftheforest]

Actually, animals posture and pump all the time.

Did you watch the same video as the rest of us?

[AREAL]

Yes I do. Well not side kicks. You don't have to.

show your skills at k1, perhaps

[AREAL]

Side kicks are one of the best kicks if you know how to throw them from your normal stance. They are good for knockouts and harder from most people to block because they can come straight through a sloppy on guard

so how your book would be called

[AREAL]

Last time I was in a fight nobody "let" me do anything to them. Least not in any real fight.

boy, you need to stop lying and acting like you are something strong. what you have said is a complete bullshit. what real fight, if you don't remember it. you don't fight, boy

As for kicks to the thigh, I can kick you with the bottom of my foot faster than with my shin, and do more damage, have a better angle and gain more power, with less effort.

boy, if you say that your kicks are stronger then muay thai low kick, then you have no idea of what muay thai low kick is. and most likely, you have never been kicked to the thigh hard, boy

Not really the topic here is it?

As soon as you prove you're worth the waste of time. Which is never going to happen, so go find another "daddy" to tell you war stories, so you can get your fix.

boy, you was never in a real fight. it is obvious, boy

I am not going to trade war stories with a bunch of wannabes on a forum (I don't know you well enough to call you a wannabe but the rest know they are). To be frank I can't give you a play by play on any of my altercations, none have been caught on tape and usually I'm to busy defending myself to take notes on what happened.

Anyone who can tell you exactly what happened in a fight is either full of shit or in high school, that's if it was a real fight and not bullshit posturing and windmill swinging.

I don't have to prove anything to any of these fap wads here. They're here to chuckle at how slick they think they are.

boy, fap wad, it is obvious that you are getting your little ass, that had no real experience, beaten all the time. what you do, boy, is just buying this useless dvds and pretend you are something strong. but in the reality, you are just a little fap wad, you like so good, boy

The stomp kick when properly employed, does not mean lean back and kick like a teep kick but is applied with forward momentum and it doesn't end with the contact to the opponent, but instead you "step down" once contact is made as if you are going to walk up the person.

boy, what is a stomp kick. is it when boys beat your ass and then stomp it, boy