Self Defence lessons - Male problems

[Yinboxer]

Okay...even though I'm not a girl, I think my advice could be productive to this particular thread.



I mean...what happens when you girls start training eye jabs and head butts...? Sorry pal...looks like I scooped your eye there...lets go look for it???

P.S. ...if she's into REAL self defense for young women, has she even taught you anything from a prone position (on your back)??
I hate to bring this up...but the main thing you want to defend against isn't a stand up attack...it's probably to avoid getting sexually assaulted...in which case there is no stance, and there is no space for error...you basicly have to do what you have to do...which includes some pretty ruthless shit...but it will save your life and the sanctity of what is most important to you.

I'm not one of those guys who claim women are not as able to defend themselves as men, because I've trained with some of the best female ring fighters in the states...and have dully had my ass handed to me time and time again by somebody smaller than myself that knows what they're doing.

The idea is to have the mentality to fight, hurt, and maim (kill if necessary), if some guy you know turns out to be a complete ****-up and tries to pull a quick one, slam his ass with something solid until you're sure he's not going to get back up and run away and call the police...if they try to hold your arms back, knee them or bite then nose or ears, or headbutt them until the let go, and then keep hitting them until they can't move...running away is possible, but they could try and chase you, better to end it there when you have the upper hand.

Also, use common sense, and always carry at least a little something just in case...avoid taking drinks from strangers, watch who you're around when you're drinking, and if your out someplace that your not familiar with, be with friends. Most rapes are crimes of opportunity. Don't let some asshole see you as a potential victim.

Way to go Garland! Very well said.

[Yinboxer]

The woman who's in charge of the lessons says that the guys may not wear groin protection because if you kick them in the groin when they don't wear protection you know how an offerder moves after such a hit. If they do wear protection they don't move because they don't feel anything, so when you are in a real situation you don't know how the offender will move after the kick and you need more time to figure out your next move. And time is everything in those situations. It's not a ballbusting club or anything, the lessons are just created to be as close to reality as possible.

Janice.

It is true that if he is wearing protection, he may respond differently. I have noticed that most of the time you don't actually need to strike the groin to get a response. Most guys are very protective of their nuts (for good reason!), and in my experience often flinch if they know it's coming. HOWEVER, expecting a guy to just quit after kicking him in the balls is not realistic. I have seen guys get kicked there and they often times have a few seconds before they go down. A few seconds is a LONG TIME in a real situation. He may still have time to rip your head off, so relying on groin strikes alone is foolish. I have even encountered some fruit loops who actually ENJOY being hit/clawed in the groin!! (Don't ask for specifics on this, please... ) Maybe some of these guys are the volunteers in your class.

Your teacher needs a reality check. BTW, people are right about the fact that it hurts a girl to get kicked there as well. I racked myself once on a guy's bicycle and thought "why do the GUYS ride these ones? The girls bikes seem safer..." There is a dimmak point there--CV-1--and it works on both sexes. I believe someone else has referred to it as the "perenium."

[SamuraiGuy]

I think the original poster is fucking stupid... you say you dont mind kneeing people in the groin cause its part of your self defense... well look lady your not fighting your sparring.. you shouldnt knee the guy in the nuts... what if he wants to have kids and he cant cause yoru a stupid bitch who likes to feel tough when she knees guys in the nuts... and you say oh he should wear a pad... well getting kneed in a pad into your nuts does the same thing dumbass its not like a bone... and you think you should be abvle to do this cause your training for real self defense... well take off all your pads and have him bash your face in climb ontop of you and punch you in the head repeatedly.. thats what will happen in a real fight.. not him using whatever stance and style he has ... thats what hes sparring with not fighting with... any guy would just use his physical strength advantage to throw you on the ground and punch the shit out of your face... dont be a hypocrite and say its self defense but then expect him to spar.. hes sparring and your fighting.. your lucky hes not fighting...

[Ahsen]

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[SamuraiGuy]

N/A... better not be an N/A to my brilliant ass point... dumbass girl.

[LoneWolf1]

This thread makes my future children cry.

PS sounds like your self defence teacher should get hit in the face with a steel pipe. when or if she wakes up tell her it's all part of self defence.

[SamuraiGuy]

Wha?.... donno if that was for me or not.. because of how brilliantly it was worded... sooo ill just go with a flame on you to be sure... umm... lets see here.... quiet pussy ill hit you in the face with a steel pipe... yes.. that should do nicely...

[Garland]

Wha?.... donno if that was for me or not.. because of how brilliantly it was worded... sooo ill just go with a flame on you to be sure... umm... lets see here.... quiet pussy ill hit you in the face with a steel pipe... yes.. that should do nicely...

what the ****?
look's like somebody found somebodies Amyl stash. You ever huff gas? It's okay if you have (try switching to unleaded, m'kay pal), but be honest, it would most definitely account for a great deal of what people find offensive in your posts. P.S. if you are retarded, disregard this message (I won't dumb it down for you), because it isn't your fault that your mother took that phylidimide and crack cocktail when you was a fetus...but that doesn't mean you have to take the pain caused by the unfathomable burden of stupidity you suffer out on others.
**** you, very much, good night.

[Ryo]

Wha?.... donno if that was for me or not.. because of how brilliantly it was worded... sooo ill just go with a flame on you to be sure... umm... lets see here.... quiet pussy ill hit you in the face with a steel pipe... yes.. that should do nicely...

Well, you seem rather cranky. It's rather hard for one to derive any information of actual use from a response when every other word is either derogatory or misspelled.

Take deep breaths, SamuraiGuy. Deep breaths.

[SamuraiGuy]

You kids can be fucking retarded sometimes, honestly. If you'll notice all the words I used that are real words, umm is not a real word, are spelt correctly with the exception of sooo, which isnt really spelt wrong just spelt long lol. Who cares about spelling anyway, so even if i do have spelling mistakes I don't want to hear about them. Second of all, after saying, "ill flame you to make sure" or something along those lines, and then making some dumbass comment, it was supposed to make fun of the people who flame for no reason on this forum, maybe you couldnt see that, maybe your mother was the one who was on crack. Thirdly (and yes it is thirdly) my original point is valid and should be looked at. This moron of a woman has no regard for the man so she can feel special and "tough" because she could take a man down, I happen to know its very easy to see someone attacking your groin and very easy to defend it, I have two sisters, this wouldn't work in a real fight situation even if she did hit him in the groin. Once again, she is fighting and he's sparring, too bad hes not fighitng, she needs to learn how tough she is before she goes out and gets raped or something.

[Tom Yum]

I happen to know its very easy to see someone attacking your groin

Do you "attack" your own groin when alone....






...and nobody's around...








...nast de t.v.....justkidding

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Moron

I happen to know its very easy to see someone attacking your groin and very easy to defend it, I have two sisters, this wouldn't work in a real fight situation even if she did hit him in the groin.

Well, that settles it. Your sisters can't use a groin kick in the wake of your superior ma abilities. That must make it completely useless! Maybe the target is just way to small for them to hit. And wishing for someone to get raped is a new level of stupidity, even for you.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Groin strikes

Now, on a more positive note, the school I train at utelizes the knee strike and front kick to the groin very effectively. This is done with light or no contact while sparring and full contact with focus mitts. It is very effective, especially the front snap kick with the top of the foot from below. Remember boys and girls, to lift and separate!

[litegod]

hello everybody, i am not sure if you have a proper place for introductions so i will do a brief one here before i comment on janice's post.

i live in canada and help teach self defense to ladies and kids. if it is not a problem i will tell you that i help teach F.A.S.T. self defense, it is a system that is ever evolving and has been effective in many real world situations, including myself.
it is an adrenelin based system which means it uses real life situations to force adrenelin to dump into your body to teach you how to understand and react to it. you are then taught how to use that force in your voice and body language to repel the attack and defend yourself if needed. some of the scenarios are altered to suit the student if there is a particular thing that we know about them.
in the initial scenarios the attacker is not in actual contact with the victim, as the class progresses the "bad guys" put on protective suits that are heavily armoured to prevent damage that will result from FULL-FORCE blows to the attacker. this not only trains the student to use full force when it is needed but also means the bad guy can come back again and again to help teach more classes and have kids that he can train for self defense as well.

i am one of the guys that gets dressed in the armoured suit,the groin protector is a thick high density foam with a built in plastic form and i also wear a cup as well just in case,over the jock strap is worn a lycra girdle to prevent anything from shifting and getting "cut off". even with the protection on i can still feel the impact of a full force hit. this is encouraged though. it does not hurt us, we are simply aware of it and can react as though it did hurt. the head protector is essentially a football helmet with a very thick layer of padding on it as well.it must protect us from full force palm strikes to the face.we ware other padding as well but they are not as important as the head and groin.

all the instructors are volunteers(at our school anyways), it is only taught in a team enviroment under a structured class plan.we all have our reasons for doing this course and we have heard many horrible stories come out of it. we all have our pasts and this course helps some women through theirs so they can advance in their lives.it also helps some of the instructors with thier pasts.


on to janices post. finally

janice, if things are the way you describe them here i would highly encourage you not to ever return to the class, it could be causing you more harm than good. i would say to forget everything you learned but there could indeed be something useful that she taught you but i bet you could find it on the internet or i will even tell you for free.
if you have paid her any decent amount of money for this course i would encourage you to get a full refund on the basis it could be endangering your life and other students lives. if it is less than say hundred dollars cut your losses and let anybody know about how bad the course is. it sounds like this lady has not even had real martial arts training,also sounds like she has never had any real life BAD street encounters and i would bet is not even certified to teach self defense.i do not even wantto understand the reason why she has the men go through the punishment.
if it is a martial art that she teaches you must remember a very important thing, martial arts and self defense are completely seperate things.martial arts teaches you confidence and trains your body and reflexes, self defense teaches you how to reach down inside your soul and fight with every bit of life you have.some will argue about this i am positive, but i have seen trained blackbelts get their asses kicked in their first real bar or street fight.
another thing to remember about self defense schools, you must have male "bad guys" as far as i am concerned, the likelyhood of a rapist or attacker being female is very low.this is reality training and you cannot afford to have a communal class with all females , they do not understand how men think and cannot ever prepare you for that. you might notice in this post i usually refer to the attacker as a "he". also most rapes are with people you know, sometimes it just turns into a bad date. only about 15-20 percent of rapes are stranger attacks.

my reasons now for her being dangerous, first , she is teaching you that the groin strike is the best and end all hits. this is not true as others have said. if properly executed at the proper time it is a great tool to use, but do not count on it, certain drugs shut off neural pathways to the brain, making the person like a walking robot. pain is the only reason this hit is effective, like putting your hand on something hot, it is a reflex that can be turned off in certain circumstances.
the best first strike is the "golden triangle" that is formed by the outside corners of the eyes and the upper lip.almost any strike in this area will result in watering of the eyes which will buy you valuable time to react and get ready for your next hit or run if needed.better results of an impact in this area are a broken nose or damaged eye or orbital(bone around the eye). this is all for the better if an attacker is seriously hurt as far as i am concerned.the best thing about this area is no matter how drugged up, drunk, muscled up or tough guy he is he will feel the effects. you cannot grow extra muscle on your eyelids or nose.if he cannot see you , he cannot attack you.

the groin shot will put a guy down if executed properly and it is hard enough for him to feel the full pain, if not then he will probably react violently and hurt you bad.most men instinctually know that a hit there will hurt and will automatically guard that area.
the reason your instructors method is so dangerous is when you train you WILL NOT use full force against this nice stupid man that is letting you kick his unprotected jewels. it is just human nature. you will learn to hit him with just enough force to make him move and will subconsciously train only at this level.what happens when you get in a real bad situation at a party where a big drunk guy is forcing you up against a wall and is going to rape you? you will subconsciously use less than ideal force because that is what you trained for. he will then get pissed off and do some very bad things to you because now he has probably punched you a few times.this is real life. you cannot afford to take the chance that you might hit him harder now.you must train for self defense in a properly equipped school that will let you do full force training, it is your life and is valuable, please do not take the chance. please.

if you want to tell me your state in here or on an email i will be more than happy to try to locate a school that teaches the same system as i teach. other types of systems i will not comment on because i do not know them as well. the FAST self defense is a certified program so it is or should be structured the same almost anywhere in the world.

it makes me mad that anybody can open a self defense school almost anywhere in the world and charge people money for endangering their lives.

take care everybody!