Self Defence lessons - Male problems

[Garland]

Do you "attack" your own groin when alone....

vigorously....
homeboy should give it a rest before he chaffes the damn thing off.

[Garland]

hello everybody, i am not sure if you have a proper place for introductions so i will do a brief one here before i comment on janice's post.

i live in canada and help teach self defense to ladies and kids. if it is not a problem i will tell you that i help teach F.A.S.T. self defense, it is a system that is ever evolving and has been effective in many real world situations, including myself.
it is an adrenelin based system which means it uses real life situations to force adrenelin to dump into your body to teach you how to understand and react to it. you are then taught how to use that force in your voice and body language to repel the attack and defend yourself if needed. some of the scenarios are altered to suit the student if there is a particular thing that we know about them.
in the initial scenarios the attacker is not in actual contact with the victim, as the class progresses the "bad guys" put on protective suits that are heavily armoured to prevent damage that will result from FULL-FORCE blows to the attacker. this not only trains the student to use full force when it is needed but also means the bad guy can come back again and again to help teach more classes and have kids that he can train for self defense as well.

i am one of the guys that gets dressed in the armoured suit,the groin protector is a thick high density foam with a built in plastic form and i also wear a cup as well just in case,over the jock strap is worn a lycra girdle to prevent anything from shifting and getting "cut off". even with the protection on i can still feel the impact of a full force hit. this is encouraged though. it does not hurt us, we are simply aware of it and can react as though it did hurt. the head protector is essentially a football helmet with a very thick layer of padding on it as well.it must protect us from full force palm strikes to the face.we ware other padding as well but they are not as important as the head and groin.

all the instructors are volunteers(at our school anyways), it is only taught in a team enviroment under a structured class plan.we all have our reasons for doing this course and we have heard many horrible stories come out of it. we all have our pasts and this course helps some women through theirs so they can advance in their lives.it also helps some of the instructors with thier pasts.


on to janices post. finally

janice, if things are the way you describe them here i would highly encourage you not to ever return to the class, it could be causing you more harm than good. i would say to forget everything you learned but there could indeed be something useful that she taught you but i bet you could find it on the internet or i will even tell you for free.
if you have paid her any decent amount of money for this course i would encourage you to get a full refund on the basis it could be endangering your life and other students lives. if it is less than say hundred dollars cut your losses and let anybody know about how bad the course is. it sounds like this lady has not even had real martial arts training,also sounds like she has never had any real life BAD street encounters and i would bet is not even certified to teach self defense.i do not even wantto understand the reason why she has the men go through the punishment.
if it is a martial art that she teaches you must remember a very important thing, martial arts and self defense are completely seperate things.martial arts teaches you confidence and trains your body and reflexes, self defense teaches you how to reach down inside your soul and fight with every bit of life you have.some will argue about this i am positive, but i have seen trained blackbelts get their asses kicked in their first real bar or street fight.
another thing to remember about self defense schools, you must have male "bad guys" as far as i am concerned, the likelyhood of a rapist or attacker being female is very low.this is reality training and you cannot afford to have a communal class with all females , they do not understand how men think and cannot ever prepare you for that. you might notice in this post i usually refer to the attacker as a "he". also most rapes are with people you know, sometimes it just turns into a bad date. only about 15-20 percent of rapes are stranger attacks.

my reasons now for her being dangerous, first , she is teaching you that the groin strike is the best and end all hits. this is not true as others have said. if properly executed at the proper time it is a great tool to use, but do not count on it, certain drugs shut off neural pathways to the brain, making the person like a walking robot. pain is the only reason this hit is effective, like putting your hand on something hot, it is a reflex that can be turned off in certain circumstances.
the best first strike is the "golden triangle" that is formed by the outside corners of the eyes and the upper lip.almost any strike in this area will result in watering of the eyes which will buy you valuable time to react and get ready for your next hit or run if needed.better results of an impact in this area are a broken nose or damaged eye or orbital(bone around the eye). this is all for the better if an attacker is seriously hurt as far as i am concerned.the best thing about this area is no matter how drugged up, drunk, muscled up or tough guy he is he will feel the effects. you cannot grow extra muscle on your eyelids or nose.if he cannot see you , he cannot attack you.

the groin shot will put a guy down if executed properly and it is hard enough for him to feel the full pain, if not then he will probably react violently and hurt you bad.most men instinctually know that a hit there will hurt and will automatically guard that area.
the reason your instructors method is so dangerous is when you train you WILL NOT use full force against this nice stupid man that is letting you kick his unprotected jewels. it is just human nature. you will learn to hit him with just enough force to make him move and will subconsciously train only at this level.what happens when you get in a real bad situation at a party where a big drunk guy is forcing you up against a wall and is going to rape you? you will subconsciously use less than ideal force because that is what you trained for. he will then get pissed off and do some very bad things to you because now he has probably punched you a few times.this is real life. you cannot afford to take the chance that you might hit him harder now.you must train for self defense in a properly equipped school that will let you do full force training, it is your life and is valuable, please do not take the chance. please.

if you want to tell me your state in here or on an email i will be more than happy to try to locate a school that teaches the same system as i teach. other types of systems i will not comment on because i do not know them as well. the FAST self defense is a certified program so it is or should be structured the same almost anywhere in the world.

it makes me mad that anybody can open a self defense school almost anywhere in the world and charge people money for endangering their lives.

take care everybody!

As a side note...the "golden triangle" (Burma, Laos, Thailand) is also the place to gets yo hero-oooon-on. (and get sent to the gallows a'la broken down palace)
Okay, all jokes aside, with the protective equipment you've used for full contact sparring, have you tried F.I.S.T. gear, or any of Bauer's stuff. I've had a chance to go at it in some of those suits with rattan sticks and training knives for scenarios, but they limit motion so much, man, and make it hard to breath...what would you say's better, better body protection, or better range of motion? so...F.A.S.T. style, or Dog Bro's style?

I've heard very little about the F.A.S.T. system, but do you cover enviornmental weapons also, i.e. if you are drunk at a party and a guy starts to push you againt a wall, to use anything at hand, be it keys, a bottle, purse strings, etc?
Also with most sexual assaults being aquaintance based...it seems like any realisitc scenario like that would be...awkward to train, like, okay, here's your boyfriend or this guy you kinda know from campus and your drunk and he starts to act creepy, then violent...and it happens quickly...how can you train for that, I mean, it's hard to create a response, even a violent one in self defense when things are going so surreal and wrong so quick. What I'm saying is, how can somebody turn on that switch on somebody they previously might have trusted and/or liked quick enough to prevent shit from going down.
And in most sexual assaults that I've heard of happening to people I know besides the above type scenario, is the one where the girl has been drugged to the point of non-response.

I think the most important thing to teach to prevent sexual assaults is drink safety, never to leave a drink unattended, to watch who you drink with and around, have a wing-girl, or a wing-guy (not all of us are ****-ups), and to pour your own drinks or watch them being poured closely to avoid being drugged, or taken advantage of.

If your sober and clear headed, or even just tipsy and not floor-fucked drunk, and/or even around friends who are with it enough to keep an eye on you if you look to drunk or amiss, then you should be at better odds to avoid bad shit happening.

In all cases, invest in a can of mace AND a small pearing knife. That will easily save anybodies ass. Mace them, and then threaten them to get away...that way you won't have to really hurt the person if you can't bring yourself to, or if they keep stepping, or you feel it's necessary to step up the situation, you can slide the knife into their thigh or gash the perinium...and then call the police.

[litegod]

garland, the FAST suit is not meant for sparring, it is quite heavy indeed. i will be the first to admit. it is also quite bulky and is not easy to move in, once you get used to it it might be a little bit easier.

the suit is heavily padded for the sole purpose of keeping the trainer and the student safe.the head is padded to take full force and full speed palm strike and elbow strikes. the groin is protected enough to easily be able to take repeated full speed knee strikes. you would indeed be surprised just how much power these little ol' housewives can produce.

the blauer suit and FIST suit are meant for a different type of training as far as i am concerned. it is meant for power on power type of training, where both parties are moving and battling so the force applied is actually less. some self defense classes do use these suits because they are commercially avaliable. the FAST suits are made one off. i have never tried the lighter suits on, even if i did have access to one they probably would not have it in my size, i am 6'2 and almost 300 pounds. most martial arts practitioners are considerably smaller than myself.


as far as the scenarios you were mentioning, i am trying to get them introduced into the class more. it is a smaller community so they are not exposed to the same bad things that happen in a large city. i know they happen in the smaller communities just as much if not more but thats the mindset around there. thats one way i try to add to the class. the more ideas you use the better, it is a thin line though because you also do not want to confuse the main issues either.

i am not too sure about how others react to the training and how they react in a bad situation with "loved ones". when i took the course to see how it is from the other side i attacked my best freind of about twenty years with full force and the full knowledge he was the one inside the suit, if i can do that then hopefully others would be able to do it if they are in a "date rape" type of situation or similar. the training we do is more importantly an "empowering" type where all the students learn to use their voice and body language to say "NO! I WILL NOT BE A VICTIM!".

in most cases thats the most important thing you can do, it speaks volumes by itself. we do try to use details that we know and use them in the scenarios. we had one lady that was a home care nurse and she had a tough time yelling because it went against her training, i used this against her. i started asking where she hid my pills, i got more agitated, i got louder, started swearing very violently, like i was a unstable patient, this is what was needed, she yelled louder than anybody in that class. she did great.

[SamuraiGuy]

Well its been awhile, and now i've gotta reply to all the dumbass posts made in my absence. I never said she should get raped, i said he should fight back, then she would know how dumb her confidence from kicking guys in the nuts will be. That would help her defend herself better cause she's prolly out looking to get raped so she can try her nifty new kick in the nuts move and feel like shes empowered. The fact that you would bring up something like touching myself in this, shows two things, your dumb immature fucks, and second of all things like that are on your mind. Even if it was supposed to be just a flame... really have a point before you say something. Now the thing about it being too small of a target to hit, that's just sad, why say things that are so stupid there not even insulting, even if someone had a small dick, it would still hurt if they got kicked anywhere in the crotch you moron. and when have my sisters tried to kick me in the nuts, when their being dumb bitches and try to hurt me, mainly the little one... anyway.. please dont make dumbass posts about me... or just in general.... and please dont have kids, the world has enough morons in it.

[gregimotis]

Well its been awhile, and now i've gotta reply to all the dumbass posts made in my absence.

No, you don't. You could just let month's old threads die thier natural death... just a suggestion.

and yes, i recognize the irony of my choosing to respond

[Ahsen]

Do you "attack" your own groin when alone....
...and nobody's around...

Is "Stroking your salamy " considerded attack your own groin cus you can go blind.

[Tom Yum]

Is "Stroking your salamy " considerded attack your own groin cus you can go blind.

...thanks for the reminder to go to the eye doctor!

[Ahsen]

Anytime Friend ....anytime

[cakegirl]

Uh-oh, I think there's going to be a few defend.net citizens rushing out to book optometrist appointments!

[Tom Yum]

Oh, while I'm on the way to the optometrist I might drop by the bakery....

[polegirl]

Oh, while I'm on the way to the optometrist I might drop by the bakery....

Are you planning on having some cake? I don't know if you could handle the cake!!!!!

[cakegirl]

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE CAKE!!!

[Tom Yum]

Are you planning on having some cake? I don't know if you could handle the cake!!!!!

Wow, two hot Aussie gals errupting before I do....there goes that myth they must be putting something in the water down there!

[cakegirl]

There was a myth?

[Tom Yum]

There was a myth?

Not any more.

BRING ON THE CAKE!!!