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I could be wrong, but it seemed like Kukri was writing about being verbally told she was responsible for her own abuse as a child, right?
Maybe I misread this second part of the post, which I was responding to:
Originally posted by kukri
Not every one can understand take resposibilty...Most people especialy in this country ...say what about me???When do I get to have fun...They don't even know that it is the way they look at things...To take resposibilty for there own happyness in self not on the out side...
I could be wrong, but it seemed like Kukri was writing about being verbally told she was responsible for her own abuse as a child, right?
In a previous post, you provided a definition of abuse.
yes...in the catholic guilt way the french are so good at...especialy since I was born from sin...HA HA HA Thats whats they thought...I know better now.
yes...in the catholic guilt way the french are so good at...especialy since I was born from sin...HA HA HA Thats whats they thought...I know better now.
Non Violent Strategies of the Monk system...{Bando Monk System} ...
1...emotions such as anger fear frustration etc...are immediately brought undercontrol by regulted breathing patterns, mental focus on Divine Power or internal Yantra
2. ..Verbal calming selection and choice of words to reduce acceleration of emotional arousal.
3...non verbal display tone of voice, rate and rythem of utterances are controlled. [ it is not what you said, it is HOW it is said]
4...posture stances , gestures and body movements which show non - dominance or non-confrontaional are used to reduce emotional excitement.
5...facial expressionscalmness showing no sign of anger fear etc.. eye contact and staring are controlled,
6...mental alertness sense of light, sound and intuitionare alerted.
7...Physical readiness from any posture --standing, sitting, kneeling, squating, lying the person is ready to react in a non violent manner.
8...Available abjects use of available objects or tools for defense such as chairs, tables or other tools
9...saftey distance if standing ,, defensive distance 3 - 6 steps away is maintained to observe the action of the potential opponent so as to react appropriately if attck accours.
Once we finally recognize the suffering state we are in, the all-pervasive suffering that the afflictive emotions such as attachment and anger inflict upon us, we develop a sense of frustration and disgust with our present predicament. This, in turn, nurtures the desire to free ourselves from our present state of mind, the endless cycles of misery and disappointment. When our focus is on others, on our wish to free them from their misery - this is compassion. However, only once we have acknowledged our own state of suffering and developed the wish to free ourselves from it can we have a truly meaningful wish to free others from their misery. Our commitment to liberating ourselves from this mire of cyclic existence must happen before true compassion is possible.
Before we can renounce cyclic existence, we must first recognize that we shall all inevitably die. We are born with the seed of our own death. From the moment of birth, we are approaching this inevitable demise. Then we must also contemplate that the time of our death is uncertain. Death does not wait for us to tidy up our lives. It strikes unannounced. At the time of our death, friends and family, the precious possessions we have so meticulously collected throughout our lives, are of no value. Not even this precious body, the vehicle of this lifetime, is of any use. Such thoughts help us diminish our preoccupation with the concerns of our present lives. They also begin to provide the groundwork for a compassionate understanding of how others find it difficult to let go of their self-centered concerns.
However, it is crucial that we realize the great value of human existence, the opportunity and the potential that our brief lives afford us. It is only as humans that we have the possibility of implementing changes in our lives. Animals may be taught sophisticated tricks and are of undeniable assistance to society. But their limited mental capacity prevents them from consciously engaging in virtue and experiencing real spiritual change in their lives. Such thoughts inspire us to make our human existence purposeful.
Spiritual Friends / Spiritual Guidance
In addition to our meditation, it is important to lead our lives responsibly. We must avoid the influences of bad companions, unsavory friends who can lead us astray. It isn't always easy to judge others, but we can see that certain lifestyles lead to less righteous ways. A kind and gentle person can easily become influenced by dubious friends to follow a less moral path. We must be careful to avoid such negative influences and must cultivate loyal friends who help make our human existence spiritually meaningful and purposeful.
Regarding friendship, our spiritual teacher is of the utmost importance. It is crucial that the person we learn from be qualified. Conventionally speaking, we seek a teacher who has the qualifications to teach the subject we wish to study. Though someone might be a brilliant physics teacher, the same person may not necessarily be qualified to teach philosophy. A spiritual teacher must have the qualifications to teach what we seek to learn. Fame, wealth, and power are not qualifications for a spiritual teacher! It is spiritual knowledge we must be sure the teacher possesses, knowledge of the doctrine he or she is to teach as well as experiential knowledge derived from practice and life led.
I wish to stress that it is our own responsibility to ensure that the person we learn from is properly qualified. We cannot depend upon the word of others or upon what people may say about themselves. In order to properly investigate the qualifications of our potential teacher, we must have some knowledge of the central tenets of Buddhism and must know what qualifications a teacher would need. We should listen objectively as the person teaches and watch the way he or she behaves over time. Through these means we can determine whether the person is qualified to lead us along our spiritual path.
It is said that one should be willing to scrutinize a teacher for as long as twelve years to ensure that he or she is qualified. I don't think that this is time wasted. On the contrary, the more clearly we come to see the qualities of a teacher, the more valuable he or she is to us. If we are hasty and devote ourselves to someone unqualified, the results are often disastrous. So, take time to scrutinize your potential teachers, be they Buddhist or of some other faith.
Originally Posted by Mike Brewer
Certainly, it does. But maybe not to the same level in that it allows for forgiveness of sin and the permanence of soul in heaven or hell. Buddhism is more about personal responsibility in the here and now, and doesn't allow for the same notion that sins will be forgiven if the repentent will ask forgiveness.
That's certainly not to say that one is better than the other, though, or that one is right and the other isn't! Even the Dalai Lama agrees that all the great religions deserve respect and if practiced correctly lead to love and peace. I think all Lu is trying to say is that in Buddhism, one often finds the responsibility of living so as not to require forgiveness - and the consequences of failing to do so - squarely placed on one's own shoulders without the possibility of being forgiven by a higher Authority.
Exactly so. I don't mean to denegrate anyone's faith. I remember reading that the Dalai Lama advised people to look for answers in their own faith before converting to Buddhism because he believes (as I do) that they all contain the tools one needs to realize one's spirituality.
What I take from Buddhism is that it's not so much about "this is right and that's wrong" so long as you accept the consequences of your actions. There is no one to apologize to for your regrets, just your own eyes looking back in the mirror. Even more importantly enlightenment comes from practicing diligently which means you have to work hard at it on a regular basis. It's not enough believe in the "right" things or simply live by a set of rules; you only get as much out of the practice as you put into it. No one is going to give you an eternal reward; things aren't going to get better or worse so there's no getting out of doing the leg work for yourself.
Originally posted by treelizard
"When I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child; but when I became an adult I put away childish things."
I think that's from the Bible!
I thought it was Cereal Killer from the movie Hackers that said that
yes!!! The yoga I do is a work out ...The kick boxing side is just easy...But thats Bando for you...The Burmese are a tough bunch!!!Me... I am in better shape then most...especialy since I consider myself out of shape...I mean I am not in training or anything...When I am in training watch out...Theres no stopping me...but I am still mending my minskus...I tore a third degree tear in my r...knee last september...never got surgery just did my yoga...and now I good...though the doctors say wait another 6 months or so before I go in the ring or spar again...I love to spar...especialy when no one holds back!!!
OK, here's my opinion on this stuff:
1)from my own experiance it's hard to become something when people keep treating you how they used to see you. I'm small, and I've been treated like a little doll my whole life, I got mad, I threw fits, I had a chip on my shoulder for a while, but eventually I wondered who I was trying to prove myself to. At that point I chilled out and just stopped caring how I was percieved, and at that point I couldn't help but be expresive and strong. Victems need to find this place.
2)A loved one of mine got married had 2 little boys, and her husband came home drunk one night and hit her. She told him what he did the next morning, and said she didn't want his appologies, she wanted it to never happen again and if it did he was out of there. It did. He was. Victims need to find this place.
3)A group of friends & I were on a road trip, and one girl (yeah I mean girl, she was 18 going on 12) got mad and stomped off. At night. Alone. In a strange city. She finally came back (just as we were about to mount a search party) and instead of coming up to the room and telling us she was alive, she went to a room with a guy she'd met smoking outside where there were a bunch of random people drinking. We knew where she was because one of us was in the lobby when she came in. Sarah went and got her, and we got to listen to her throw a fit for the next two days for being bossy jail keepers. She had no concept of her danger, and fully expected that she'd be 100% safe with these drunk people.
Why the heck aren't people educated better? I'm all for "I want to live in a world where there's no violence." but young women should know better. Seriously! Someone brought up rape: The act of rape is compleatly the attacker's action, but people should know the possibility exists and work to keep themselves out of danger. To me that's the essence of self-defence.
OK, now I'm just ranting. Basicly I feel this: you're actions are your responsibility, no matter what side of the cycle you're on. Also, raise your kids to be smart. I guess that's all, sorry I went on a tangent.
yes!!! The yoga I do is a work out ...The kick boxing side is just easy...But thats Bando for you...The Burmese are a tough bunch!!!Me... I am in better shape then most...especialy since I consider myself out of shape...I mean I am not in training or anything...When I am in training watch out...Theres no stopping me...but I am still mending my minskus...I tore a third degree tear in my r...knee last september...never got surgery just did my yoga...and now I good...though the doctors say wait another 6 months or so before I go in the ring or spar again...I love to spar...especialy when no one holds back!!!
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