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  • #61
    I hope(for your own sake!) you treat your girlfriend well.....

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    • #62
      O you don't have to worry about that.....lol.......I have been trying to teach her some things for different situations like teaching her some Aikido tehniques against different kinds of grabs and showing her where she can hit a big guy and make him drop to his knees...I am starting to show her some BJJ techniques in case someone ever tried to bring her to the ground (rape situation).

      She does not really want to join a class cuz she is like me she doesn't really care about the belts and doing a whole bunch of kata, she just cares about learning techniques that work in real life situations. That is why that any woman that is looking for self defense oriented stuff should really try Aikido because it teaches you how to take down a much bigger stronger opponent with precise strikes and taking away there balance.

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      • #63
        Mr. Falcon, you should contact Mrs. J from the women's self-defense posts. Her credentials speak for themselves - rape prevention, anti-terrorism, long-term self defense etc.

        She is not a big fan of the traditional MA for self-defense (like aikido). Not saying aikido is weak, because its better than nothing and is a good complimentary art.

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        • #64
          Well the thing that I find can really help women in self-defense in not all the kata and routine movements. I like Aikido for self-defense because it teaches how to inflect maximum damage with minor effort.

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          • #65
            True, but you have to know that some MAs don't teach kata at all and focus purely on either competition or self-defense.

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            • #66
              I know not all martial arts teach kata. I am not saying that a 99lbs. woman can beat a MMA bare handed either. I am saying that some of the things that are taught in Aikido can help a woman make a man loose his balance long enough to run. If you have never had anyone use Aikido joint locks on you I can tell you that most of the joint locks on the wrist take very little effort to apply and are very painful and that could help out a smaller woman imensely in a bad situation. Not to mention knowing pressure point because anyone that has ever been hit in a pressure point will tell you that it does not matter if you are a 90lbs. woman or a 300lbs. man, it hurts like hell and some can be very imobilizing.

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              • #67
                I agree. Its better than nothing; I think a common critique is the long time it takes to perfect aikido style joint locks. You have to use body mechanics and unlearn force against force, which is counter-intuitive for most. Then once you've perfected the technique, it has to be applied on a resisting partner.

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                • #68
                  Aikido

                  In some cases Aikido is one of the long term traditional martial arts that I do encourage others to take after they have trained their core SDA skills. its also an awesome cross training art, and you can learn a huge amount "IF" you can find a really good teacher that has the core healing and ki skills to back there training.

                  I am told I have strong joint locks when I have to really use them, the reason is because one of my private instructors-close friends is a 30+ year veteran teacher of aikido and aki jujitsu.

                  However, because of my physical limitations, aikido will always be a cross training and healing art for me more then a long term training art. The lineage of the teacher or aikido organization will help individuals to determine what you will learn. If you can find a teacher that is associated to the ki foundation or has been trained under tohie, you will be able to find the other core parts of the art that were lost in the initial introduction to the united states. unfortunately, that’s not always the case in the US, there are many kinds of aikido teachers and philosophies that don’t teach or know the healing aspects and the Ki energy associated to it, and then there are other organizations that go to the extreme on the philosophical end that are not even assocated to the orginal teachings, that still give no instruction on the core ki concepts that are the true bases for the arts development and its proper execution.

                  What I have found via personal experience is that in the 50’s and 60’s when most of the long term traditional martial arts were introduced into the United states, most of the long term healing, orginial philosophical teachings and cultural cores of the arts were left out of the teaching format.

                  This is because these concepts were unacceptable to the then at the time Majority of Americas social, political and religious belief structures and views. So to sell the product it got striped down and these integral parts of the arts were not taught and not part of the American peoples “ at the time “ acceptability levels. However this is changing now in the united states in a huge way, Holistic healing and Ki-Univerisal energy concepts are very widely used in today’s society. BTW Tohie is a really cool dude, I have written about him in a book that I am suppose to get published in a few more months..

                  Though I did say that last year at this time but, I have a hold up as I am still waiting for corrections from one of my teachers..

                  Ms. J……

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                  • #69
                    Many of the posts here revolve around the "ring" fighting mentality, and do not address a woman's abilities in realistic self-defense scenarios. Many of the posts mention "sparring". In sport fighting, there are weight classes for a reason. This goes for men's divisions as well as male/female comparisons. The removal of techniques from competition (due to RULES),, which can disable a person regardless of size, was necessary to provide competitors with some degree of safety. Even in the UFC, etc. eye gouging, biting, etc. are illegal, as those techniques cause a high percentage of injury when employed.

                    In my opinion, this discussion has been addressed from the wrong perspective. Women, in self defense situations, have many options available to them. Remember, the male attacker's goal may not always be to score the knockout. He might be interested in rape, or robbery. These realistic situations leave opportunities for good strategies to be used.

                    We've experimented in our classes, and there's no way a man can CONTROL a woman he's held down AND remove her clothing at the same time (if the woman has a foundation of some vicious self defense techniques). The necessary training does not require the years of training that ring fighting does. Eye gouges are easy to understand, and do not take extraordinary physical athleticism to use effectively. The same goes for biting and clawing.

                    When making blanket statements that women can't do "X", we must remember to provide all the circumstances and rule-related limitations of the confrontation.

                    Lee

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                    • #70
                      Very true, Lee. Good post.

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                      • #71
                        Falcon,
                        I have to disagree with you bigtime here.

                        I know not all martial arts teach kata. I am not saying that a 99lbs. woman can beat a MMA bare handed either. I am saying that some of the things that are taught in Aikido can help a woman make a man loose his balance long enough to run. If you have never had anyone use Aikido joint locks on you I can tell you that most of the joint locks on the wrist take very little effort to apply and are very painful and that could help out a smaller woman imensely in a bad situation. Not to mention knowing pressure point because anyone that has ever been hit in a pressure point will tell you that it does not matter if you are a 90lbs. woman or a 300lbs. man, it hurts like hell and some can be very imobilizing.
                        Pressure points aren't going to do it under the stress of a violent situation. It's hard enough to hit someone in the chin when they don't want you to. How can you expect to hit a tiny spot on their moving body (if their clothing even permits it to happen)?

                        Wrist locks can definitely hurt, but they take a long time to learn, a clear head to apply, and strength can completely nullify them. Not to mention, you have to let the locked person go eventually. If they are serious, a wrist lock is not going to do a thing for you. They are easy to apply on someone standing there for you to lock them. They are horrifyingly bad if that someone wants to hurt you. What would someone do if you placed both hands on one of theirs? Piston your face with their free hand. You won't be putting on that lock after that.

                        Your point about balance is plausible.

                        Well the thing that I find can really help women in self-defense in not all the kata and routine movements. I like Aikido for self-defense because it teaches how to inflect maximum damage with minor effort.
                        Once again, I disagree. Maximum damage with minimal effort would be attacking the eyes or crushing the throat. A wrist lock would be conisdered "minimal damage with middling effort and maximum danger to self."

                        Aikido may be fun to crosstrain, but it is not a combative art by any stretch of the imagination. I suggest that you go to www.selfdefenseforums.com and look under the martial arts/hand to hand combat section. Read the recent thread on Aikido that is there.

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                        • #72
                          Yeah, and read what Spanky wrote! Haw haw haw!

                          Aikido - what nonsense. They train like tellytubbies. They got less chance in a fight with a crazed lunatic than a Tellytubby Turd.

                          Harmonise this, flow with that. Bull shit. Perhaps each Aikido club should have a sister company. A dentist maybe. Or an undertakers......

                          "However this is changing now in the united states in a huge way, Holistic healing and Ki-Univerisal energy concepts are very widely used in today’s society."

                          Yeah right. And so is being abducted by aliens, seeing ghosts and mind reading. In all honesty it is fair to say that alll these things have some thing in common.

                          NONE OF THEM CAN BE VERIFIED!
                          Last edited by Thai Bri; 06-27-2003, 05:14 PM.

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                          • #73
                            self defense-realty martial arts-tradtional martial arts

                            Note, as stated many times by myself, there are 3 categories of training:

                            1) reality based SELF defense and awareness

                            2) reality based martial arts

                            3) traditional long term martial arts


                            the one you have to have on the streets is number one.

                            number 2 is the category I suggest first for long term training after you have learned at least 40 hours of level one core SELF defense and awareness.

                            number 3 is for long term or cross training in or for people that want something with a longer history and traditional base. BUT I don’t suggest any art at all until you have taken at least 40 HOURS OF CORE SDA. Seriously that goes for all arts even reality based training.

                            NOTE: Even if you have trained your whole life in a traditional martial art I still encourage people to take a core sda class to augment the non reality based training with core things to save their life.

                            I cant state this enough, we have a really bad fallacy in today’s society that states martial arts means SELF defense and awareness and there are enough deaths on the streets of fully ranked traditional martial arts blackbelts to prove it. ( men, woman and children) and there are many that get raped each year with full ranks in traditional ma or who have taken badly taught sda programs. ( men, woman and children)

                            Lee Wrote: We've experimented in our classes, and there's no way a man can CONTROL a woman he's held down AND remove her clothing at the same time (if the woman has a foundation of some vicious SELF defense techniques). The necessary training does not require the years of training that ring fighting does. Eye gouges are easy to understand, and do not take extraordinary physical athleticism to use effectively. The same goes for biting and clawing.
                            *******

                            Lee I agree with you. I have really easy rules about a techniques that are used for SDA and what should be taught to a student. mostly it has to do with avoidance, de-escalation, simple-direct deadly force tactics, with the intent of getting the *&%^ out.

                            Most important rule about techniques taught for SDA "

                            if a technique is too hard for a student to learn in a few minutes after 2 demonstrations then its too hard for them to use on the streets.

                            Then once the core techniques are taught, students should test each of the techniques in reality scenario training based on the instance of crime and the possible usage of the techniques, working out at least 4 different degrees of the attacks completion.

                            if you cant do the techniques and work with your body in a natural response or reflexive action, then its not going to work in a reality based situation. Scenario training is a good way to learn what your body will and wont do. And when we do test scenarios we do them base on as close to reality as possible. Even down to what you would be warring in such an instance. So if you normally have high heals on during this time of day-night that the instance crime we are testing in the scenario takes place, your going to do your scenario train in them. If we are teaching children based on their highest instance of attack on the streets then we would be working with book bags and so forth.

                            I tend to start my students out though with how not to get yourself there and then how to recognize the intent before it happens. this way you can start fighting to get out and clear before your on the floor.

                            ( lets talk more about the types of single attacker rapists and their intents.) NOTE: dynamics change greatly once you have more then one person doing the attacking.

                            OK so hypothetically you could not avoid it and you still manage to get someone on top of you, i.e. sometimes the situation is your waking up or your asleep, been knocked out or knocked down or you have been drugged or drunk. and this person is on top of you.

                            based on the average type of rapist that is attacking an adult victim, we have 2 major types. one I will call the professional and the other the induced rapist. you have an equal chance of facing either of these cases. regardless of your gender. NOTE: these 2 instances only apply to single attacker rapes.

                            Professional: a Professional full time rapist is not even going to try and take your cloths off, if your fighting. Your attacker is going to be working to stop you from fighting back. and his intent in many cases will be too knock you out or subdue you first so he can tie you up and then rip your cloths off. then attacker can rape you and be able to watch himself and you as he does it, because that’s part of the mind set of a i.e. professional rapist. He wants to see the fear, and wants to have full control. not someone fighting him or trying stop him, and as you fight the more intent he will become to stop you and to subdue you.

                            However, like lee says if your fighting, biting, kicking, going after the eyes, bucking the hell out your hips and doing all the nasty things you possibility can at full contact deadly force your going to find its very hard for an attacker to get your cloths off, tie you down, subdue you and then finally rape you.

                            Be prepared though because when your fighting back be ready for the incoming blows and this is where the long term training in reality based core arts can help to improve your chances of survival. the longer someone trains the easier it will be to block an incoming punch, or blow wile your trying to attack soft tissue areas, pressure, points, biting and so forth. If you get knocked out or subdue then your attacker is going to get what he wants.

                            Induced rapist: Now lets say you have a rapist that is trying to actually rip your cloths off, wile trying to rape you and they are letting you attack them at full force, and they are taking it, then you have someone on drugs, enraged or insane. and I would say you have just as much of a chance of being attacked by this kind of rapist as you do a professional one that has real plans and does this with intent regularly. With this in mind, The dynamics change, and its another really important reason that techniques are simple, direct and students are prepared to go full contact with all that they have to save their lives and get out.

                            Because the fact is this, you can bite the hell of a drugged up deranged adrenaline pumped up lunatic and they will not feel it, you can as well beat them with a club for 5 times longer then the average person wile they are dragging you down the road and they will still be standing.

                            We have many many examples out there to validate these kinds of facts. all you have to do is read our crime stats, the actual police reports, hospital reports and death reports of victims of violent crime These reports and stats give a really clear picture of what needs to be learned and how we need to train for the streets. to me it makes sense to learn from this information when training to protect against the said crime, don't you think?
                            otherwise, why bother?


                            Ms. J…
                            Last edited by Ms. J; 06-29-2003, 05:33 AM.

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                            • #74
                              The situation of a drugged or disturbed attacker who is resistant to pain, etc. is one of the main reasons a woman should become familiar with weapon usage, both dedicated weapons and improvised. During a grappling situation, where the woman's biting, etc. may seem to have no effect, a BIC pen buried into the attacker's neck WILL have an effect. Many folks have a pen on their nightstand, etc. and experimenting in the use of readily available objects as weapons can greatly enhance your chance of survival.

                              A quick homework problem I give clients is to go through each room in your house, and choose several different objects that you could use a an improvised weapon. The obvious ones (kitchen knives, candlesticks, etc.) and the less obvious ones (cell phone, handful of dirt from potted plant, laundry detergent, apple in a bag, etc.) should both be handled and practiced with until the concepts involving their use become familiar.

                              Evening the odds against greater force and surprise attack requires creativity and preparation. If you rely only on empty handed self defense skill, you will be sadly mistaken......

                              Lee

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                              • #75
                                Mrs. J, do you have a typical size/dimension profile of different attackers? I read somewhere that statistics show the average violent criminal is between 5'8" and 6' and weighs 180 - 200 lbs. That makes this character out to seem a little on the stocky side. He probably lifts weights and gets his experience from the street, but is unlikely to be trained in any MA, rather relying on intimidation, brute force and maybe weapons.

                                I think street predators looking for $$$ or a rape size up their targets (assuming they are not on something like PCP, crack or are mentally ill). If you look like you would be a hard target (whether its alertness, physical conditioning or carrying a concealed weapon), I imagine most predators would reconsider. If someone looks like they are wealthy, smaller or physically frail, they will more likely be targeted than a humble, strong looking person.

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