Fireman's Carry

[csc]

There is some risk when you execute the firemen's carry. When your arm extend between your opponent's legs and try to reach one of his legs, he can use the other leg to jam your extended arm at the elbow joint. All he needs to do is to twist his body. Someone did this to someone long time ago, it ended with a group fist fight after that.

[JadeDragon]

When I wrestled years ago in high school I had a great success with the fireman's carry so much that my team mates called me fire chief. I have had really good success with it against jiu jitsu players because most of them only use single leg takedown, double leg takedown, and maybe ankle picks and aren't expecting a fireman's carry. It catches them off guard and allows you to quickly follow up with something such as a mount position or something else such as an arm bar of some type because you still have a hold of thier arm from doing the fireman's.

[Tant01]

I stuck this on another board but thought it was interesting enough...

Former Olympic and world judo champion Keiji Suzuki said he felt "empty" and was (re-)considering his future in the sport after suffering a humiliating -100kg first round defeat at the Beijing Games.
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Suzuki, 29, who stepped up to +100kg in Athens to claim a sensational gold medal, was back fighting at his preferred -100kg, the weight at which he won the world title in 2005.


He also has the 2003 world open-weight title to his name as he has been shuffled around different categories due to the depth of heavyweight talent at home. No open-class title is fought in the Olympics.

Suzuki was given a second chance for a bronze medal in the repechage round of losers to the eventual semi-finalists. But he again was floored by German Benjamin Behrla with a shoulder wheel.


Tearful judo king Suzuki "empty" after Beijing humiliation

Imagine that...?

[haumana2000]

glad you found the clip interesting and in accordance with what the last poster i definately agree that the biggest mistake people make is non-commitment and not setting up the shot tactically.. set it up with the jab and all will fall into place!

[cheech]

A firemans carry is a good move. Some good moves to use in the same range and similar positions are duck under, arm drag, ankle pick, and barrel roll. All wrestling moves should be committed. The moves should be executed w/ total commitment, speed and power. The trick is to learn to see the openings, and to be prepared. The better you get, you'll be able to read your opponent and anticipate his movements.

[Tant01]

Firemans carry definately one to keep on the front burner guys. i teach it s set up from the muay plum position where you feed the knees, turn him, then penetrate the angle.

ah, now that i think about it, go on you tube and check out team pueblo mma, theres a demo of it.
peace and adobo grease,
kuya

Link please? LOL

Make me go find it?

I'd like to see it!

Thanks kindly...

The last few seconds of this were interesting...

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[haumana2000]

Firemans carry definately one to keep on the front burner guys. i teach it s set up from the muay plum position where you feed the knees, turn him, then penetrate the angle.

ah, now that i think about it, go on you tube and check out team pueblo mma, theres a demo of it.
peace and adobo grease,
kuya

[jubaji]

Sounds like the sort of thing that ought to be on the front burner!

[Tom Yum]

And I worded my sentences so carefully...

I was just joking, jubs. Still on the hunt for a good gal - but that's more of a back burner thing.

[jubaji]

And I worded my sentences so carefully...

[Tom Yum]

...you gotta lay it out there and commit to it. To actually finish it you need really good penetration...

Can I get really good penetration without the commitment?

Every man must ask himself this question...

[Tant01]

Really Ju... The biggest mistake I've seen with kataguruma is trying to get it.

It almost needs to come to you. Not so frequently with wrestlers that like to shoot in low but if they shoot in HIGH and dig for the penetration take IT!!!


All the kuzushi in the world won't drag a bare arm in for you unless he's pushing himself.

Take it if he gives it to you and drop him on his head.

[jubaji]

I think there are several reasons why you see fewer fireman's than singles and doubles. First, it requires more of a commitment. You can take a 'half-way' single or double if you are wary of your opponent's defense and still manage often to make something out of it based on his reaction, but to hit a fireman's you gotta lay it out there and commit to it. To actually finish it you need really good penetration; much more than you need to get a single or double enough to be able to work a finish. If you really commit to the shot and don't hit it right you are now in a very bad position, whereas if a double or single doesn't work out there is still a lot of room to scramble or back out of it without necessarily giving up a takedown yourself.

You see more fireman's at competitions with younger wrestlers because there is so often a vast difference in skills. When you get to higher levels where defenses are generally much better and the difference between competitors is closer (and therefore missed shots more costly) you see less. However, even at very high levels there are guys who are just so unbelievably good that they are beyond most of their competitors and can pull it off, or are confident about scrambling from even a very bad position if they don't get it.

[Tant01]

You know a lot for someone who hasn't had formal Judo training.

I've had a little formal training... A long time ago...It's the last throw in the third group of the Kodokan syllabus.



You can find this throw in BJJ as well. (surprise surprise?)

[Hardball]

............Kata guruma (shoulder wheel)

You know a lot for someone who hasn't had formal Judo training.