Reality Based Reality

[IPON]

if you look, certain posters contradict themselves on a regular basis. Then they wish to get in the last word and terminate the conversation argumentum ad bacuulum.

Hey Look I didn't know that people were really reading my posts.....damn!!!!

If everyone agreed all the time it'd get boring around here. Spanky

Hey Spanky I agree.....well actually I don't agree cuz that's boring. No wait I am cool and completely un-boring so I DISAGREE eventhough you are right. NO wait dammit that's the same thing . OK, Look I refuse to agree with how right your are......DAMN DAMN DAMN SHYT!!!!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Ken Cook, it sounds like that you banned thai bri due to the fact that he said something you didn't like. According to amendment 1 in the Bill of Rights doesn't Bri have the right to voice his opinion as long as he doesn't start calling everyone horse f*ckers or **** suckers or stuff like that("My fist ends where another man's nose begins")? So as long as Thai Bri is voicing his opinion he is fine. As our government teacher taught us, 3 things matter in which Thai Bri is voicing his opinion:1. Time, 2. Place, and 3. Manner.
1.It is the forums right? So he can post whenever he wants without disturbing other people.
2.Yet again it is the forums, so it is not like Thai Bri is standing in the middle of the highway, where he can interupt traffic, to voice his opinion.
3.The manner in which Thai Bri voices his opinion is important. Looking back at his posts one can see that Thai Bri always respects people even when they don't share the same views. He never calls them bad names. One instance was a while back when I was being immature and making a post about how Bruce Lee abandoned his family, Thai Bri merely said that the post was just wrong and that I should jsut delete it(which i didn't because I don't know how). He didn't call me **** sucker or anything.
So in conclusion, by banning Thai Bri you are violating his right to freedom of speech.

[bustr]

[QUOTE=Ken Cook]
Yes, we banned Sharp_Phil from SDF! Actually, I did it personally.

Why? Because he broke the rules. He was warned three times and after the third warning, when he failed to heed the rules, he was banned.

HOW SHOCKING!


Serves his ass right!

[kengar]

According to amendment 1 in the Bill of Rights doesn't Bri have the right to voice his opinion

That would be incorrect. People should be free to voice their opinions on forums as long as it falls within the rules of that forum, Freedom of Speech does not weigh on private websites. This is a private forum open to the public, owner of this forum has the right to run it as he chooses and may dictate how people interact.

Thai Bri always respects people even when they don't share the same views. He never calls them bad names.

Oh, umm yeah! Who is this person you speak of?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Kengar is correct, on both accounts.

What they should probably do at SDF is lock down the forum and heavily restrict membership so they can kind of avoid the problems they've been having. Kind of like USN did.

We should do that at MDF as well. You can't get in unless you are sponsored by a member.

[kengar]

You can't get in unless you are sponsored by a member.

Damn, talk about extreme measures!

[Szczepankiewicz]

Damn, talk about extreme measures!

True. But it cuts down on the riff-raff.

[Thai Bri]

Ken - If the forum was about anything other than one of your ammendemnts I would see your point. But don't you see the irony? They fall over themselves and positively obsess about the Second Ammendment, but quickly opt out of the First when it suits them.

And, joking apart, they don't just come out and say "people with reasoned arguments against Ken Cook and Don rearic's beliefs are not welcome here". No, not at all. It follows a pattern.

They keep up the pretence of so called discussion until they ascertain that you're not 100% with them on the firearms issue.

Then they get abusive, repeatedly.

Then, when you finally react, they call you a trouble maker and ban you.

Then you are repeatedly abused when you can no longer fight back. Heroic.....

They have ignorance of the highest order, as they pretend to themselves that their tactics are just. Their "ends justifies the means" mentality is as much a threat to freedom as any Fascist. This is even more disturbing when the conversation turns to choosing which laws they will obey and, even worse, making reference to the fact that they will back up their beliefs by totally ignoring democracy and start shooting law enforcement officers.

These guys are certifiable, dangerous and deluded. The only comfort is drawn from the fact that they are also cowards, and need the support of a group.

[NunYa]

SDF is a funny place. I lurk there on occasion. Ken and Don seem to be in love with each other. There are a few people there that are knowledgable in my opinion. Those two are not amoung them. Ralph Grasso and Carl Cestari seem to have a wealth of knowledge. Mods RBFC and belisarius also seem to be level headed. Don is the king of subtle insults and strawman arguments. At SDF he just has the power to ban whenever he feels like it after he stirs the shit. Then Ken and himself blow each other while basking in the afterglow of the last word they are guaranteed to get.

Just read Don's site to get a sense of his paranoid psyche. Check out the pics of him holding various weapons. His pudgy hands and arms don't look like he's broken a sweat training in years, if ever. He also doesn't list who he's trained or trained with. It seems his only expertise is pointificating on his web site. Does he have a LEO or security background of some sort? TMA training? One of his articles mentions Jujitsu as a kid but that is all.

That said, I'm all for the second amendment 100%, and it's root from British common law where self defense was a right. In fact I don't care if people carry 100 weapons on them. As far as I'm concerned they have that God given right. But current law is still the current law and the courts aren't very fond of people who defend themselves effectively. Plus it just does not make tactical or strategic sense to carry a dozen weapons. A firearm if your state allows, a utility knife that will cut flesh if you had too, and some OC spray is about all you can get away with legally. Maybe a big Maglight in the car too.

Back to SDF. It seems that most of the "Combative" converts over there are instant experts just because they post there. There is a very anti-MMA vibe too. I guess that's what rubs people from here the wrong way since this place is crawling with MMA and BJJ types. They love the same old strawman arguments at SDF. I won't go ito them because they should check out some of Matt Thornton's writing on "street vs. sport". The mods and posters there I respect have a sportive background like judo or boxing. Both very hardcore. The founders of WW2 Combatives were also judoka.

I guess one problem is maybe some of the guys who post at SDF lurk a little here or at mma.tv and see some BJJ whitebelt preaching it to be the end all of combat. Then they lump every MMA of BJJ guy together. I refuse to fall into that trap with the Combative types. Like I said there is good info there sometimes. www.gutterfighting.org has even better info. No forum there either which I think is a good thing. It eliminates ego tripping mods like Killer Ken and Dangerous Don.

Who am I???
NunYa!!!

[kengar]

Ken - If the forum was about anything other than one of your ammendemnts I would see your point. But don't you see the irony? They fall over themselves and positively obsess about the Second Ammendment, but quickly opt out of the First when it suits them.

Hey, I hear what your saying, though that is their case to argue. I was just clarifing that rights really don't pertain to a private site. Hell, if they wanted they could ban me for being over here having a conversation with you. Not saying they would, I'm only saying it is their site to do as they wish. Much like Spanky or another mod here could ban me for thinking I have ill intentions on here and I'm just trying to stir up trouble. Either way I think it would be wrong, but really nothing I could do about it.

NunYa: But current law is still the current law and the courts aren't very fond of people who defend themselves effectively.

You know what sucks, your statement really does apply to certain places. There's just a bad attitude in some bureaucrats that are appaulled of the notion that individuals want to take their own protection into their hands. For some their just ignorant, other's its political, and the rest are mad because they want to be our mom's and feel they won't be needed. They want to push their BS cliches, "just call the police", "don't fight back it'll just make them mad", and an assortment of other's.

Fortunately many of us live in a state that recognizes the importance of personal protection.

[Thai Bri]

Anyway, just where did all these knobsticks go when their forum imploded?

How did it go? Oh yes, the forum owner asked them not to be quite so insulting to people who held different views....... The forum owner.

But they ignored them, so he politely asked them to leave. Now, being such great guys, what did they do? They asked for a little time to get themselves together, which was duly granted.

Then they started abusing the privileges they had been given by destroying threads.

"Disgrace" is a word that fits the bill in these circumstances I feel.

[nutter]

Yeah, that bunch are a load of losers mate, not worth the effort. They set up a new forum where they just spout more shite and wank eachother off.

[Thai Bri]

ttt

I just loved taking on Don Rearic and Ken Cook. Not that it was particularly challenging.......

Where are they now?