Text every warrior should own

[BoarSpear]

books dont make warriors...but they can educate them...i understand you being an English teacher and all that you find books about war offensive...i recall most of my English teachers were little tree hugging women in flowered dresses who protested the military on thier days off...so the fact that you are bothered by it doesnt surprise me.

Btw not everyone is a literary giant like you, or worse they had tree huggin teachers like you who make fun of anything shakespeare didnt write...so i offered the books i felt were important to every warrior then asked others opinions...you, as usual with nothing intelligent to add, stood on the sidelines feeling left out and began to throw shit...

[jubaji]

flailing in desperation

books dont make warriors...but they can educate them...i understand you being an English teacher and all that you find books about war offensive...i recall most of my English teachers were little tree hugging women in flowered dresses who protested the military on thier days off...so the fact that you are bothered by it doesnt surprise me.

Btw not everyone is a literary giant like you, or worse they had tree huggin teachers like you who make fun of anything shakespeare didnt write...so i offered the books i felt were important to every warrior then asked others opinions...you, as usual with nothing intelligent to add, stood on the sidelines feeling left out and began to throw shit...

If there's any shit to be thrown you are providing it, Barbie. Its funny (and a little sad) how you keep trying to fabricate some characteristics for me so you'll have something to 'use'. I'll give you a hint: you've been wrong every time so far.


But keep trying, its amusing so far.

[HtTKar]

I dont think that gaining insight to other peoples (especially accomplished martial artists) perspectives could ever cause any harm. In fact, it should be encouraged. Honestly, isn't that the precise reason many of us come to this forum? To read and learn from others

Many of the books listed provide details that are constantly quoted or misquoted on this forum, and actually having read the books gives you common ground for understanding what someone is trying to say. For example; the Tao of Jeet Kune Do is probably the most popular martial arts book ever. If you do not read this book, it could be harder to understand where someone is getting their ideas from.

So maybe saying we should all own them is a little much, but instead of spending countless hours reading forums we could all spend a little time reading what real martial artists had to say. Really what's wrong with that?

[gong fu]

The Taoist "I Ching" - Liu I-ming

[Sensei Saki]

Thanks for the info.

[eXcessiveForce]

What of the protocols of the learned elders of zion did you find useful to warrior training?

[HtTKar]

Like studying the mafia, or reading Machiavelli it is a book that teaches stategies others use to get ahead. I know about the propaganda and racist history that follows this book. I do not agree with any of that. But the truth remains that someone did write this book, and using these types of stategies works for controlling people. I Believe that a warrior should study political stategies as well as fighting tactics. For example;

It todays society, people are controlled through money. How do you make a government that controls the whole world? You create world banks. Banks that every government borrows from and depends upon for trade. For example; Currently the Euro is further strengthening Western Europes power by uniting them under a single currency. Money is bringing people together to be controlled by fewer and fewer people that are constanlty making larger and larger profits. At some point in the future the whole world will depend on world banks to balance their currency...the world banks will be owned by fewer and fewer people. Maybe one person will be in control of all the world banks. When all the money is controlled by one person or group of people..then all the worlds governments and people are controlled by that one person or group.

That is the political tactic this book taught me to start looking for.

But I'll post some quotes for others to think about, that may not even be relavent to what I discovered.

[HtTKar]

-- Force and Make-believe.
Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in
the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe the rule for governments which do not want to lay down their crowns at the feet of agents of some new power. This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of
others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.

It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of our international agentur; which possesses millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered my any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves.

The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the
public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the
affairs of the whole world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes.

This hatred will be still further magnified by the effects of an economic crisis, which will stop dealings on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, a universal economic crisis whereby we shall throw upon the streets whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the countries of Europe. These mobs will rush delightedly
to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.
"Ours" they will not touch, because the moment of attack will be known to us and we shall take measures to protect our own.

In order to give the goyim no time to think and take note,
their minds must be diverted towards industry and trade. Thus, all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain and in the race for it will not take note of their common foe. But again, in order that freedom may once for all disintegrate and ruin the communities of the goyim, we must put industry on a speculative basis: the result of this will be that what is
withdrawn from the land by industry will slip through the hands and pass into speculation, that is, to our classes.
The intensified struggle for superiority and shocks delivered to economic life will create, nay, have already created, disenchanted, cold and heartless communities. Such communities will foster a strong aversion towards the higher political and towards religion. Their only guide is gain, that is Gold, which they will erect into a veritable cult, for the sake of those material delights which it can give. Then will the hour strike when, not for the sake of attaining the good, not even to win wealth, but solely out of hatred towards the privileged, the lower classes of the goyim will follow our lead against our
rivals for power, the intellectuals of the goyim.

"Per Me reges regnant". ("It is through me that Kings reign.") And it was said by the prophets that we were chosen by God Himself to rule over the whole earth. God has endowed us with genius that we may be equal to our task. Were genius in the opposite camp it would still struggle against us, but even so a newcomer is no match for the old-established settler; the
struggle would be merciless between us, such a fight as the world has never yet seen. Aye, and the genius on their side would have arrived too late. All the wheels of the machinery of all States go by the force of the engine, which is in our hands, and that engine of the machinery of States is Gold. The science of political economy invented by our learned elders has for long
past been giving royal prestige to capital.

Capital, if it is to co-operate untrammelled, must be free to establish a monopoly of industry and trade: this is already being put in execution by an unseen hand in all quarters of the world. This freedom will give political force to those engaged in industry, and that will help to oppress the people. Nowadays it is more important to disarm the peoples than to lead them into
war; more important to use for our advantage the passions which have burst into flames than to quench their fire; more important to catch up and interpret the ideas of others to suit ourselves than to eradicate them. The principal object of our directorate consists in this: to debilitate the public mind by criticism; to lead it away from serious reflections calculated to arouse
resistance; to distract the orces of the mind towards a sham fight of empty eloquence.
In all ages the peoples of the world, equally with individuals, have accepted words for deeds, for they are content with a show and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance. Therefore we shall establish show institutions which will give eloquent proof of their benefit to progress.
We shall assume to ourselves the liberal physiognomy of all parties, of all directions, and we shall give that physiognomy a voice in orators who will speak so much that they will exhaust the patience of their hearers and produce an abhorrence of oratory.
In order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides to so many contradictory opinions and for such length of time as will suffice to make the GOYIM lose their heads in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no
opinion of any kind in matters political, which it is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the first secret.

There's more in there, This is less than 1/3rd of the way into the book. Take it for what you will. I didnt want to waste too much space here. . Just remember that it should be read with a little skepticism, and there is a lot of insight to be gained. I believe a warrior should be prepared politically, or he will be taken advantage of for others gain. Knowledge is power, so there's nothing wrong with reading this for the sake of education

[BoarSpear]

well played HtTKar, well played

[eXcessiveForce]

I have not had a chance to read the whole thing.

It is actually a plagerized french text with a few added sections.

It does have a checkered past.

I think it is a good book to learn about manipulation and the accumulation of power. I do not necessarily believe it is a book for warriors or their training. Definitly a read for anyone wanting to enter politics though.

there is a pretty good history of the text at amazon.

[BoarSpear]

a warrior ignorant of politics and the way of the world is another mans fool and tool... Knowing WHY you are involved in a situation can help you get out of it and avoid future problems as well.

[Kenpodog]

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[eXcessiveForce]

while I agree everyone should be informed, all I was saying is that I just don't see it as a "warrior text"

From what of it I have read it is an excellent propaganda piece, (which was it's purpose)

It is great for testing critical thinking as well. For instance a warrior who read the text and believe in the grand conspiracy has done nothing to avoid manipulation but instead had simply gone from a possible "government manipulation" to a differnt version of manipultion.

I do not think that this book is on the same level as A book of five rings, or the art of war.


That being said, there is a decent book out Called the 48 laws of Power.

[HtTKar]

War is politics. Without the threat of war, all the political talk in the world would be meaningless.

Sun Tzu said: The art of war is of vital importance to the State.

3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant
factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations,
when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.

4. These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth;
(4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.

Method and discipline is simply politics.


Sun Tsu's statement

18. All warfare is based on deception.

is pretty similar to this quote

Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in
the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe the rule

If you do not read it with racist intent, and just read it as it is, there can be a lot to gain.

[BoarSpear]

while I agree everyone should be informed, all I was saying is that I just don't see it as a "warrior text"

From what of it I have read it is an excellent propaganda piece, (which was it's purpose)

It is great for testing critical thinking as well. For instance a warrior who read the text and believe in the grand conspiracy has done nothing to avoid manipulation but instead had simply gone from a possible "government manipulation" to a differnt version of manipultion.

I do not think that this book is on the same level as A book of five rings, or the art of war.


That being said, there is a decent book out Called the 48 laws of Power.

see the thread i started called the 48 laws of power...

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=16476&highlight=48+laws+power