It begins...

[BoarSpear]

Karl Rove is going down!!!! Gee, I wonder who is next?

"24 hours to get your affairs in order Karl"

[jubaji]

he never tires of being wrong...

Good call, Nostradumbass!



Rove Won't Be Charged in CIA Leak Case

Prosecutor's Decision Lifts Burden Off Top Bush Aide

-By TONI LOCY, AP

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060613065809990006

[jacambece]

hmm...

cambece

[jubaji]

Nothing to say in response, loser?

[BoarSpear]

Judge Reggie Walton, the presiding judge in the Libby trial, deliberated over a case titled "SEALED v. SEALED." There is growing speculation that sealed v. sealed is Fitzgerald v. Gonzales' Deputy, Paul McNulty (Fitzgerald's direct superior).

The Wayne Madsen Report and the Chris Matthews Show have both floated the theory that Fitzgerald had secured indictments against Rove, but Gonzales --via McNulty-- came in at the last second and used his power as Fitzgerald's superior to kill the indictments.

IF, this theory is true, Fitzgerald would have likely challenged McNulty's decision in court, pointing to an earlier administrative directive from then acting Attorney General James Comey that gave Fitzerald the "authority of the Attorney General." Comey is long gone, however, and was replaced by McNulty. The question then becomes what, if any, value does Comey's administrative directive have today.

One unfortunate realty of this scenario is that if the judge sides with McNulty, we will never know what really happened, because it will remained sealed. Which, is one explanation about why Rove is acting so smug these days and why the White House has not pulled back his public schedule.
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Even the news people are wrong on early predictions...I seem to remember some funny calls and confusion during Bushy boys election for instance.

[GonzoStyles]

So in your humble opinion Jubaji, its fine and dandy to out an undercover CIA operative (albeit a stateside one not in "deepcover") in revenge for a spouse not going along with a lie? Yeah that makes alot of sense.
It is after all illegal to do so, and it puts ANYONE who was an associate of said operative not to mention their family and friends in danger, and undermines the CIA's morale dont you think? or are you just happy that Boarspear might be wrong? Remember all the tough talk by Tom Delay Jubaji?
How bout Ken Lay's innocent "with help from god" speeches? Hell even Brownie is singing like a canary after he finally realized he was little more than a scapegoat, maybe a little federal time will loosen Scooter Libbys tongue. Now when Robert Novak is charged I will be happy,
damn liberal media!!

[BoarSpear]

So in your humble opinion Jubaji, its fine and dandy to out an undercover CIA operative (albeit a stateside one not in "deepcover") in revenge for a spouse not going along with a lie? Yeah that makes alot of sense.
It is after all illegal to do so, and it puts ANYONE who was an associate of said operative not to mention their family and friends in danger, and undermines the CIA's morale dont you think? or are you just happy that Boarspear might be wrong? Remember all the tough talk by Tom Delay Jubaji?
How bout Ken Lay's innocent "with help from god" speeches? Hell even Brownie is singing like a canary after he finally realized he was little more than a scapegoat, maybe a little federal time will loosen Scooter Libbys tongue. Now when Robert Novak is charged I will be happy,
damn liberal media!!

jubaji is the kind of stupid pissant who would prefer to see our country damaged and a crook freed so he can claim I was wrong....And jubaji questions other peoples motives and priorities ....NO one believes Rove is innocent....

silly little bitches who leave me rep like this are my favorites...its good to know I enrage them so much...hehehehehe maybe i'll post some more and induce a stroke in the little brain dead pussy who posted this...no doubt another pansy who was never even in the boy scouts much less the military who wants to limit my freedoms.

"you're a fucking 'hate America first' moron and you don't deserve the freedom to express your stupid-as-hell brain farts"

I love you too pussy...

[jubaji]

my opinion is not humble

So in your humble opinion Jubaji, its fine and dandy to out an undercover CIA operative (albeit a stateside one not in "deepcover") in revenge for a spouse not going along with a lie? Yeah that makes alot of sense.

Well, you used three words there, "undercover" "revenge" and "lie", that are all judgment laden and reflect a political bias that has not been supported by the facts and legal interpretation despite a great deal of investigation. You may believe it, and it may very well be 'proven' one day, but as of now all of those are just biased assumptions rather than proven fact.

"fine and dandy"? I thought innocent until proven guilty was fine and dandy. Not only was no one found guilty of the central accusation here, but no one has even been charged with the 'crime' that some people of a certain political bent have already rendered judgment on.

[jubaji]

It is after all illegal to do so,

And no one has even been charged with that crime. Next?

[jubaji]

"might be wrong"? LOL!

or are you just happy that Boarspear might be wrong? !!

If that were all it took to make me happy, I'd be thrilled all the time!

[jubaji]

Remember all the tough talk by Tom Delay Jubaji?
How bout Ken Lay's innocent "with help from god" speeches? Hell even Brownie is singing like a canary after he finally realized he was little more than a scapegoat, maybe a little federal time will loosen Scooter Libbys tongue. Now when Robert Novak is charged I will be happy,!!

When and if someone is found guilty of an actual crime I'll be the first to support full punishment under the law.

[jubaji]

who the **** do you think you're kidding?

jubaji is the kind of person who would prefer to see our country damaged and a crook freed so he can claim I was wrong.......

That's rich coming from you, the most disgraceful anti-American cretin on this entire forum!

[GonzoStyles]

Come on Jubaji if something stinks, its probably rotten.

the reason its known as the "Plame" incident is that she was using her maiden name, as well as working for a CIA front company, doesnt this mean that the CIA had an interest in keeping her identity a secret? Doesnt she and the people working for her and OUR GOVERNMENT for OUR SAFETY deserve protection?

Her outing as an agent came 8-days after her husbands op-ed piece against the administrations claims of WMD, doesnt that suggest revenge?

Look at the timeline of Joeseph Wilsons report on Nigeria and the Yellowcake claims in Rep speeches, hell it only took the IAEA a matter of hours to determine the documents were fake using little more than a google search, yet we included this dubious claim in speech after speech?

Scooter Libby was charged with obstruction of justice and perjury I believe?
those charges would seem to suggest he is trying to protect someone, or delay an investigation till the tracks can be covered as best as possible.
Who could that be, maybe Robert Novaks source?

And finally the WMD claim was a lie, we have found 0 of the "tons" of WMD claimed in the state of the union address, we have only found "dozens of WMD program related activities" Not an aresenal, certainly not the waiting mushroom cloud spoken of many times in speeches leading up to the war.

[jubaji]

Come on Jubaji if something stinks, its probably rotten..

Fortunately, our justice system isn't based on homey bromides.

the reason its known as the "Plame" incident is that she was using her maiden name, as well as working for a CIA front company, doesnt this mean that the CIA had an interest in keeping her identity a secret? Doesnt she and the people working for her and OUR GOVERNMENT for OUR SAFETY deserve protection?.

Again, the status of 'undercover' and the legal distinctions involved in what can and can't be said about what and by whom isn't based on your "Oh, c'mon now". There are laws and precendents involved, that's why a prosecutor investigated the hell out of all this. If someone is proven to have broken a law, they should be prosecuted, but it will be based on facts and laws, not your nose.

Her outing as an agent came 8-days after her husbands op-ed piece against the administrations claims of WMD, doesnt that suggest revenge?.

See previous statements. The laws aren't based on your personal speculations and limited information, whether you like it or not.

And finally the WMD claim was a lie.

That is a rather tired political spin. There is no proof that it was a "lie". Please don't express your ignorance by equating a conclusion with a motivation. The whole world believed there were weapons there. The Democrats believed it, the F-ing french believed it, Saddam wanted everyone to believe it. Was it a mistaken belief? Perhaps so. Was it a lie? That is nothing more than political bias.

[GonzoStyles]

nice to try and deflect away from facts with a feeble attempt at humor,


Just refute my claims Jubaji, and save the ha-ha for open mic nite.

Was Valerie Wilson using her legal name?

Was the company she "worked" for a front for CIA operations?

Had she been involved in undercover operations before this incident?

Did her husband present his report to the VP's office BEFORE the claim of yellowcake was used in political speeches?

Did the IAEA debunk these documents in a matter of hours?

Was Valerie Wilson outed as an agent AFTER her husbands op-ed column?

Has a single lb of WMD material been found?

What part of these claims I make is "tired spin" and what part is fact?