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[SamuraiGuy]

Regardless of the effects of a stab wound.

They STILL TAP OUT. And thats what I'm arguing. I dont see why they wont just admit it, is it because its something the gracies do? is it because it doesnt sound like something a reality based system would include?

You tap, I tap, everyone who is training seriously, and putting themselves in dangerous situations as part of that training taps out.

[kingoftheforest]

No

Cause when you tap everybody stops and gets up. When we understand we lost, everybody stops and we figure out what went wrong and how to adjust it right there. We move at slower speeds because anything done at a higher speed would cripple someone.


With tapping you don't have time to see where things went wrong. It's oh shit he's got the arm bar...tap tap....up and try again.


The fact that you can move at regular speeds during matches means the intent really isn't all there. We train with the intent and thats all.

[treelizard]

Cause when you tap everybody stops and gets up.

They do? We usually just let off the pressure, stop in that position (minus the person about to break your arm or whatnot) and then talk about what happened and how it happened.

[kingoftheforest]

My bad then

You'll have to apologize all the training videos I've seen posted and the personal expierence I've had with MMA didn't give me that impression.

[treelizard]

Uh, well, I don't know how other people do it. I may have just fallen in with an exceptional group... The only time we've ever tapped out and then stopped is when we were just drilling one specific technique.

You'll have to apologize all the training videos I've seen posted and the personal expierence I've had with MMA didn't give me that impression.

[kingoftheforest]

good for you.

[Garland]

You'll have to apologize all the training videos I've seen posted and the personal expierence I've had with MMA didn't give me that impression.

it's true...hommie. We create an enviornment to train, but train applying maybe about 40-60 percent pressure so we don't break limbs...training is useless if all you do is get hurt.

[BoarSpear]

People are such irrepressible dumbasses sometimes!

Everybody wants to be some big hard-ass that doesn't tap or doesn't give in. Idiots. What are you training for, anyway? Self-defense? Want to explain to our readers how you intend to defend yourself with broken limbs, hyper-extended elbows, sprained ankles, and twisted knees?

How about - and this is a radical idea, here - how about you train smart? That is, add enough pressure to make things realistic, give the person on the receiving end the discretion to acknowledge that something would have worked (that eliminates speculation from the guy on the delivering end), and you approach training so as to get better and more capable rather than more injured? Whoa. Who'da thunk...

Do you people honestly want me (or anyone) to believe that you train just exactly like you fight? You try to kill each other with knives, sticks, guns, and your bare hands every time you train, and if you hurt a guy, you just keep going after him? You mean to tell me that there are no safety measures in place where you train, and no one has ever tapped out?

BULLSHIT!!!

Did it ever occur to you that drilling a technique is where you figure out the rights and wrongs, and sparring with it is how you test it against unpredictable resistance? None of it is fighting - it's training. And training without safety measures is foolish, not tough.

Well Mike, please show me the tap out response to a blade in the eye socket when you go for a RNC If you need to tap after getting stabbed to feel better about yerself go for it..i'll still be stabbing anyway. Because in a real fight that would be a lie wouldnt it? japanese soldiers painted their faces grey and bit their tongues to play dead in WW2 to fool soldiers...you go ahead and stop "defending through attacking" your opponent because you got him people get shot 5-7 times with battle rifles and continue to fight, but the mighty arm bar ends it all... I'm out, you know better.

[BoarSpear]

it's true...hommie. We create an enviornment to train, but train applying maybe about 40-60 percent pressure so we don't break limbs...training is useless if all you do is get hurt.

40 -60 percent!! Exactly, sport techniques designed with safety in mind...ask Knifethrower how much pressure I applied on him...I think he will agree the hold I showed him damn near killed him with less than 5 percent of normal power, I couldnt really lock the hold without killing him...but hey this shit isnt taught in schools that teach the general public or for tv entertainment. Same reason you cant just go buy Carl Cestari's tapes.

[doJu]

Well Mike, please show me the tap out response to a blade in the eye socket when you go for a RNC If you need to tap after getting stabbed to feel better about yerself go for it..i'll still be stabbing anyway.

Look, if you are already put into an RNC, and you have your knife out, why didnt you gut them before giving up your back. If you are put into an RNC and you havent got your kife out yet, you have about a second to do so, and even then its too late. And fighting with a broken limb, or broken face, make the chances of you winning the fight go down exponentially.

[doJu]

I couldnt really lock the hold without killing him...but hey this shit isnt taught in schools that teach the general public or for tv entertainment. Same reason you cant just go buy Carl Cestari's tapes.

What hold??? Does it work when HE is using 100% of his power?

[Tant01]

I'm thinking a knife to the throat or garote? A training knife pressed firmly against your ribcage might be enough to think tapping out is a bit too late?

Then there is the protective armor you might wear for realistic training? I don't know. It's been some time since I played that. I might be behind the curve a bit? I might have been there with MY training??? A knife in the orbit? Hmmm? That doesn't seem "fun" to me...

[Tant01]

Some atemi can be near fatal with light strikes. A web hand or "Judo" chop to the trachea is a nasty trick....

[BoarSpear]

Look, if you are already put into an RNC, and you have your knife out, why didnt you get gut them before giving up your back. If you are put into an RNC and you havent got your kife out yet, you have about a second to do so, and even then its too late. And fighting with a broken limb, or broken face, make the chances of you winning the fight go down exponentially.

A) I can draw my knife under stress in way less than a second.

B) you assumed it wasnt out, and I had not cut you before the knife in the eye that ended your choice to attempt to bring BJJ to a knife fight...I dont fight in the ring so you dont get to frisk me first.

C) I've been doing JJJ since the 60's if you think you have more experience rolling with knives pm me, we'll talk.

D) Empty handed is the weakest place to defend from, if someone is trying to take you down then the intent to stop you through joint breaks is implied in a street encounter...or you're planning on choking me out. The number of broken bones in mma classes shows you aint got control enough for me to trust my life to your capability...I will fucking kill any asshole who attempts that shit..and then play all the "broken bones" videos in court to show the lack of control and understanding of the things you play with. If you clowns cant have competitions in the ring without breaking backs and arms how am I supposed to expect control in a drunken streetfight? Expect to be cut.

[BoarSpear]

What hold??? Does it work when HE is using 100% of his power?

None of your business JR if the SF didnt think you needed to know, then neither do I. The more power he tried to use the faster he would have died.