Wounded Afghans say U.S. forces fired on civilians after suicide bomb

[Troll Virus]

As I recall, they did initially spend time destroying opium crops. At some point they slowed down on that because it was the only income many people had in that country and therefore the war on drugs was also a war on the poor in Afganistan who then had an interest in helping the warlords (or something like that).

Well in my country, growing illegal substances would land me in jail, broke or not.
Would it be justifiable to allow these people to continue manufacturing Anthrax, just because they were broke?
Of course not, so why is Opium any different?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/duc.htm

"War on the poor?"
What about the poverty, misery and mayhem these 'poor' people create in the west?

Burn all the crops and keep burning them until they think of something else to do.
If they don't like it, they can leave their country, find something else to do, or starve to death.
Frankly, I don't care.

[Troll Virus]

I feel the need to knock a couple of old heads together.

[BoarSpear]

Thanks for deleting those quotes (even though I still stand by them). It's at least a step toward living up to your word.


we'll see how long it lasts...

Hmm when I hid shit in white you you put a mark on my record....You're welcome thanks for attacking me AFTER you knew I removed them...not once but TWICE, you're quite the leader arent ya? And he gets mad when I point out he's a hypocrite, priceless....suffice it to say I've read the LAST freakin Mike Brewer post EVER...I dont really care what you have to say the one thing for certain is I wont respect where it came from so the ideas wont have merit, exactly the way you feel about me I'm sure... so since you've proven incapable of growing up and stepping away even After I did, you're ignored, blabber away, you aint worth my another second of my time. Insult away declare victory whatever you need to feel important...

[BoarSpear]

As was the case when he was slamming you in his sig line, that's his little passive-aggressive way of getting over on a lie. He'll say "I'm not talking about you" and then put something in his sig line so it shows up in every post. He's done it with jubaji, you, and several others. I don't see why I'd be any different.

Once again, if it isn't an outright lie, it's at the very least complete inconsistency of character.

I forget who brought it up a few pages back, but it's a lot like the "causes" Boar chooses. My issue is not that he doesn't pound the podium for every cause. Of course we pick those causes that are most important to us. But one of BoarSpear's stated causes, one that he has already said is at the very root of every other problem he points out, is our unwillingness as a nation to "put our own house in order before casting stones." He's made that a rallying cry of sorts for anyone who's against the war to get behind, and he uses it as the basis for most of his Bush-bashing. So when I point out that several million more incidents of rape and murder happen here every year than in Iraq (almost all of them committed against Americans), it is not some distant or removed issue to take attention off what he cares about. If he is being consistent in his arguments (or character) then the incidents of rape and murder at home are exactly and precisely what he ought to be focused on! They are happening here at home, so if he were truly interested in putting his own house in order, he'd start here - wouldn't he? Yes, the stats on household accidents was thrown in to point out the absurdity of Boar's rants. But the stats on murder and rape ought to leave him cold, assuming he truly does care about the murder and rape of human beings. And yet nothing is said, no articles quoted, no news stories re-posted.

Doesn't make much sense, now does it...

Just take note of how the super moderator takes it as weakness and attacks me every freakin time I give him an inch...lead by example right? I get bitched out, try to cooperate and Brewer has to sneak in one more attack after the other guy drops his hands...way to show leadership....like I said earlier he reignites shit every time I walk away...Talkin' shit as you leave we have all experienced that guy.

yeah I remove your quotes from my sig,you attack....way to show your true colors.

[BoarSpear]

OK, how about taking Mikes quotes out of your sig?
It means that, every post you make, on every section of the forum shows that you have issues with Mike and that's not healthy either for him, or for you.
I'd like to see you and others here, dropping that nasty little trick.

Fair enough...I'd a thought of it myself If I'd had some sleep.

[Troll Virus]

I've said this several times, I'll say it again. I don't intend to post IN the Military Tactics forum at all, any post there I wont read. I wont speak TO or ABOUT MR Brewer unless he makes another comment insulting me or my opinions instead of commenting on the subject or questioning my motives purely as character assassination, if thats refusing to tone it down then so be it. If he or any other member quotes me and attacks I will respond in kind, aside from that I'm done.

OK, how about taking Mikes quotes out of your sig?
It means that, every post you make, on every section of the forum shows that you have issues with Mike and that's not healthy either for him, or for you.
I'd like to see you and others here, dropping that nasty little trick.

[BoarSpear]

I politely asked for people to tone it down. If you can't do that. Then you are starting a fight with me and it is a fight you cannot and will not win. This isn't just for your sake but for everyone who doesn't heed my friendly requests that people treat each other with some degree of respect.

I've said this several times, I'll say it again. I don't intend to post IN the Military Tactics forum at all, any post there I wont read. I wont speak TO or ABOUT MR Brewer unless he makes another comment insulting me or my opinions instead of commenting on the subject or questioning my motives purely as character assassination, if thats refusing to tone it down then so be it. If he or any other member quotes me and attacks I will respond in kind, aside from that I'm done.

[jubaji]

Well, you got the "old" part right, but I doubt Barbie has ever seen the inside of a school.

[Tom Yum]

Boarspear is taking it old school...

[BoarSpear]

BitchinandmoaninSpear strikes again!

Never contributes anything but insults for his own amusement strikes again.

[jubaji]

BitchinandmoaninSpear strikes again!

[BoarSpear]

The tactical forum is Mikes Forum. He asked for it, he got it started and he is the moderator of it. I pretty much stay out of that forum unless I have to do something.

That being said, I didn't say you need to agree with me, I said you all need to act in a civil manner. Mike is a good sport, he has let you stay, (he could ban you any time he wanted and hasn't) Let it be known if you tried to speak to me in the same manner I would not be so kind. For the simple reason that I have no tolerance for people who cannot be respectful of each other.

If this forum is not something you enjoy, perhaps another forum geared towards the military would be more to your liking.

I never have attacked anyone first, And I never will. I didn't allow people to talk down to me or advocate violating the UCMJ when I was active duty whether they outranked me or not, and I wont do it on a public forum. I didnt start this war of words with Mr Brewer any of the times he has reignited it. Now...I admit to attacking tactics he advocates and turning his insults back on him but never once have I threatened him...But I'm the bad guy, I can live with that, but I will reply every time he insults me for pointing out war crimes, or advocates ignoring war crimes until the war is won. Especially since he is the moderator of a Military Tactics forum...to anyone reading his biased posts these actions aren't an issue....great propaganda for anyone looking to prove all Americans support killing everyone and letting god sort 'em out...I merely show some veterans DO object to the current behavior of the Armed Forces and their leadership. It's not uncommon, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, REFUSED admission to the Vietnam vets because the WW2 Veterans didnt approve of the way American forces behaved or performed in Vietnam. As I remember it the quote from the head of the VFW at the time was "The soldiers in Nam fought harder for a pepsi than they did to win to the war" Too much bs from the leadership ruins morale and soldiers with poor morale act out like they did in Nam and are doing currently in both theaters...As Brewer likes to point out the soldiers don't give a crap what Bush says they're there for their buddies...but then he claims lil ole Boarspear hurts their ability to win the war... So in essence he says Boarspear has more affect on them than their Commander in Chief...yeah, I point that shit out.

[gregimotis]

Now either Brewer was out of line for accusing me of aiding Al Qaeda or...

If he said that, then he was out of line.

Now that really, really, is my last post.

[jubaji]

So whats the military tactics forum for? You opened it, I watched vets come, experience the mindset and leave...the forum has a sub forum for Military tactics but vets aren't welcome unless their opinion matches yours or Brewers or Jubaji's....You had two soldiers (combat veterans) who ARE involved in conflict in the very places we are now posting about...trolls who never served caused them to leave because truth is vets arent welcome here unless they support the same views as Brewer (a psyops guy) and jubaji (never been in the Military)...news flash thats gonna be VERY FEW vets. It's just not the environment they're going to feel welcome in due to the trolling by people who havent served, as the Moderator of the forum thats up to you to make create a place they can post without being hassled by people who havent any idea what their talking about. Or you can continue to have a Military forum thats really a place for psyops announcements and trolls to play.

In other words, nothing is legitimate unless everyone agrees with you, and all 'real' vets must necessarily agree with you. More reasonable discourse from Barbie Boring...

[jubaji]

any fool can be right some of the time if all he ever does is criticize everything. And you start to look like any fool if that's all you do.

Now that is profound! I like that! Nicely put.