Did Jesus use cannabis?

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

there was actually a very similar story of a guy who was said to be a prophet etc who was also crucified, but this occurred in egypt way before jesus time. the story of the crucifiction is not unique. i forgot the name of the guy who was crucified before jesus, anyone remember who it was?

Well i don't doubt at all that there were many stories of crucifixion as it was a popular mode of execution, and i'm sure there are many instances where the victim was a religious figure, but as a whole i still can't think of a story that parallels Jesus' very well in the details. i mean, if you look at flood stories the similarities across cultures are pretty remarkable; the divine force singles out one righteous man and his family to be spared, man builds boat and saves animals, man repeats a certain test several times to find out when the flood will end. i don't know a story that parallels the story of Jesus' life to that extent.

[DickHardman]

the ministry and execution of Jesus is historical fact documented in sources outside of the bible. Jesus lived, taught, and was crucified, you can't find a secular historian who will disagree with that much. But yes, aside from those basic facts the questions of whether or not Jesus was the son of god and whether or not he was resurrected are matters of faith.

Out of curiousity, what are some of the cultures you're referring to 7r14ngl3? i know that alot of the stories in the bible occur across virtually all cultures in some form or another, most notably the flood story, but off the top of my head the details of Jesus' story seem fairly unique.

there was actually a very similar story of a guy who was said to be a prophet etc who was also crucified, but this occurred in egypt way before jesus time. the story of the crucifiction is not unique. i forgot the name of the guy who was crucified before jesus, anyone remember who it was?

[gregimotis]

...every time people try to have a serious dialogue about how our nation addresses illegal drugs someone will try to use High Times to convince us all that Jesus was a stoner or something equally bizarre. This kind of thing is so far-fetched that you won't ever get main stream America to accept it even if it turned out to be true. All it does is water down the stronger, legitimate arguments for the reform of our drug laws. I think these tactics reinforce the idea that the only people who want to see them changed are drug-addled conspiracy theorists and that in fact they do more harm than good.

That is a beautiful post, right there.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

How do we even know Jesus Christ existed? Im mean, the story where a holy baby is born, performs miracles throughout his life, and dies as a martyr AND is resurrected has been done in many other cultures, many times.

the ministry and execution of Jesus is historical fact documented in sources outside of the bible. Jesus lived, taught, and was crucified, you can't find a secular historian who will disagree with that much. But yes, aside from those basic facts the questions of whether or not Jesus was the son of god and whether or not he was resurrected are matters of faith.

Out of curiousity, what are some of the cultures you're referring to 7r14ngl3? i know that alot of the stories in the bible occur across virtually all cultures in some form or another, most notably the flood story, but off the top of my head the details of Jesus' story seem fairly unique.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

How do we even know Jesus Christ existed? Im mean, the story where a holy baby is born, performs miracles throughout his life, and dies as a martyr AND is resurrected has been done in many other cultures, many times.

[DickHardman]

Quoted directly from the bbc link:




Yeah, I haven't botherd to read it yet I'm supporting my opinion with direct quotes

even though he sounds too over religious, he is right isnt he? if jesus and company used cannabis extracts as sacraments, then his remark would be an understandable statement. plus, he was only speculating. he didnt say thats what he believed.

and that statement only applies to christians, which i am not. cause for those who arent christians, its not anti christian to persecute those who use cannabis, its only anti chill. so you cant really say i posted these articles to justify my own habits, as i dont personally believe jesus was god.

[Sagacious Lu]

I was pretty sure that it was going to boil down to some variation of "Jesus did dope so I should be allowed to too"

Quoted directly from the bbc link:

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient Christian anointing oil, as history indicates, and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ."

Yeah, I haven't botherd to read it yet I'm supporting my opinion with direct quotes

[DickHardman]

f "Jesus did dope so I should be allowed to too"

btw? can you copy and paste where in the article it says that i should be allowed to use marijuana because jesus does? please copy and paste it for me.

[DickHardman]

I wrote this before i actually read the article because I was pretty sure that it was going to boil down to some variation of "Jesus did dope so I should be allowed to too" and sure enough that's exactly what the article said. What pisses me off is that evey time people try to have a serious dialogue about how our nation addresses illegal drugs someone will try to use High Times to convince us all that Jesus was a stoner or something equally bizarre. This kind of thing is so far-fetched that you won't ever get main stream America to accept it even if it turned out to be true. All it does is water down the stronger, legitimate arguments for the reform of our drug laws. I think these tactics reinforce the idea that the only people who want to see them changed are drug-addled conspiracy theorists and that in fact they do more harm than good.

obviously you didnt read the article, even after trying to pretend you did. because neither article claimed that jesus was a stoner. all the articles claimed were that back in jesus time the anointing oil that was used to anoint kings and whatnot contained large amounts of cannabis extract, which some theorize could have been used to heal ailments if it was absorbed through the skin. i dont think either article mentioned that jesus was taking bong rips. so dont be offended, at least until you finally read the article, which im convinced you dont want to do since its clear you had your mind made up the moment you saw the title of the thread. but hey, at least in this post you admit that you are pissed and emotional. read the articles, maybe they will calm you down a bit.

[Sagacious Lu]

However, this sort of thing doesn't do anything but reinforce all the negative stereotypes associated with pot smokers. Even if Jesus did use an oil made from the plant all this is going to do is alienate the many of the people who revere Jesus. With this amount of shock tactics like this one it's no wonder that people don't take those of us who would like to change our nation's policies concerning drugs seriously. Just my $.02.

I wrote this before i actually read the article because I was pretty sure that it was going to boil down to some variation of "Jesus did dope so I should be allowed to too" and sure enough that's exactly what the article said. What pisses me off is that evey time people try to have a serious dialogue about how our nation addresses illegal drugs someone will try to use High Times to convince us all that Jesus was a stoner or something equally bizarre. This kind of thing is so far-fetched that you won't ever get main stream America to accept it even if it turned out to be true. All it does is water down the stronger, legitimate arguments for the reform of our drug laws. I think these tactics reinforce the idea that the only people who want to see them changed are drug-addled conspiracy theorists and that in fact they do more harm than good.

[DickHardman]

The fact that it was published in High Times should tell you that the writer,editor and publisher have an agenda. You don't have to look hard to find it:



I think the guy wrote the whole article just so he could say this. It's just a big convoluted attempt to justify smoking pot. I'm sure it appealed to the readers of High Times, but I doubt anyone that doesn't have a pro-pot agenda is going to take it seriously.

i wonder why bbc would pick it up then. is bbc news pretty unreliable? i too found it odd that high times article would be on a bbc news site, but i didnt want to discredit the article completely just because it was from high times.

[Sagacious Lu]

wow, i didnt know my marijuana use was making life so hard for this guy over the internet. i sure hope you find a way to cope with my fondness of marijuana. i hope you arent experiencing any relationship or family problems because of my posts on defend.net. i hope you can one day fully recover from the trauma some of my posts of have caused you.

So much for reading comprehension.

no seriously, do you have anything to say about the articles or not? otherwise, please stop trolling my thread.

Okay, here goes.

The author of the article, published in the US drugs magazine High Times, says his findings are based on a study of scriptural texts.

The fact that it was published in High Times should tell you that the writer,editor and publisher have an agenda. You don't have to look hard to find it:

Mr Bennett said the findings suggested that it was unchristian to persecute people who used cannabis.

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient Christian anointing oil, as history indicates, and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ."

I think the guy wrote the whole article just so he could say this. It's just a big convoluted attempt to justify smoking pot. I'm sure it appealed to the readers of High Times, but I doubt anyone that doesn't have a pro-pot agenda is going to take it seriously.

[DickHardman]

Look I am being civil; believe it or not I was hoping you would take my posts as food for thought. They aren't meant as an attack on you, although I'm not surprised that you choose to take it that way. This has nothing to do with my feelings on religeon at large or Jesus in particular, this is just my response to the way you constantly bring up marijuana. It seems to be one of your favorite topics and you're obviously very confrontational about it; it makes me wonder if you present a pot-head persona to people in the real world.

wow, i didnt know my marijuana use was making life so hard for this guy over the internet. i sure hope you find a way to cope with my fondness of marijuana. i hope you arent experiencing any relationship or family problems because of my posts on defend.net. i hope you can one day fully recover from the trauma some of my posts of have caused you.

no seriously, do you have anything to say about the articles or not? otherwise, please stop trolling my thread.

[Sagacious Lu]

Look I am being civil; believe it or not I was hoping you would take my posts as food for thought. They aren't meant as an attack on you, although I'm not surprised that you choose to take it that way. This has nothing to do with my feelings on religeon at large or Jesus in particular, this is just my response to the way you constantly bring up marijuana. It seems to be one of your favorite topics and you're obviously very confrontational about it; it makes me wonder if you present a pot-head persona to people in the real world.

[DickHardman]

You're completely missing my point. You're right, I didn't read the article but it wasn't the article that I was commenting on. What I'm saying is that it seems like you go out of your way to present yourself as a pot smoker. It's not that you're just honest about the fact that you smoke, you actually advertise the fact, and I think you thrive on the attention that it gets you. I think you like to feel like people persecute you for being an independent rebel, otherwise why would you trumpet your smoking habits on a martial arts forum?

the only attention i recieve from talking about bud is from whiners like you who give it to me. its only a big deal if you make it be one. so dont say i do this and that for attention, and then write posts full of emotion trying to stir up drama. nothing you have posted had anything to do with the article, which is all i really wanted to know about. if religion is too touchy for you, then move on to another thread.

You're not coming off as an independent thinker with radical ideas, you're just making yourself look like a stoner that's infatuated with the drug counter-culture.

independent thinker with radical ideas? did you pull all this out your ass? all i wanted was to know about the articles, seems like you are way more concerned with me and what i do than you should be. seems like you have something personal against me.

As far as I'm concerned if you choose to smoke pot then that's your decision and I won't judge you for it, but, at least on this site, you are vocally very childish (and excessive btw) about it and that's why you're getting so much criticism.

its always funny when people say " oh i wont judge you though" right after they have gone on about how they feel you are childish and desperate for attention. seems like you have judged me, so at least man up and admit it. the only one being excessive is you, you are trying to make comments on a thread about two articles you havent even read. you are simply letting your emotions get the better of you cause i guess jesus or religion is a touchy subject for you, one you cannot discuss in a civil manner.