very sad yet very true

[glendanfig]

where is god?

i dont see him here...
very sad very true

[GQchris]

God is still on throne, in complete Control of the entire Universe. Just because at the present moment there is death and destruction doesn't mean that God is absent or is not in control.

[Guest]

Nope. There is no "god".
Life has no purpose or intrinsic meaning.
And after you die all you do is rot and not exist.

So...your life really is meaningless.
And if you kill yourself...it really doesn't matter.



Just putting that out there.

Good man, lets chew some fat on this one.

God? Agreed.
Life has the purpose that you attribute to it, pursue during it, and find within it.
Death? Agreed.

If you mean that life is meaningless in the context of some form of higher contribution to an imaginary consciousness or "why are we here" then I agree. We are here just cos we are, don't waste 75 years asking the wrong questions, spend it making your own answers. Its your life, so the meaning is what you find in it.

And yes if you kill yourself it has absolutely no consequence whatsoever, because you are dead. But what about those that I leave behind? It doesn't matter, you're dead, they existed in a consciousness that required your brain to be alive, and its isn't anymore. You're dead.

[glendanfig]

my sincere apologies for this post

[TTEscrima]

Nope. There is no "god".

I've got to disagree, I've even got proof he exists!!

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[GQchris]

Nope. There is no "god".
Life has no purpose or intrinsic meaning.
And after you die all you do is rot and not exist.

So...your life really is meaningless.
And if you kill yourself...it really doesn't matter.



Just putting that out there.

Its okay man, I used to be Roman Catholic too... some people just don't recover, I was one of the lucky ones

[Guest]

Its okay man, I used to be Roman Catholic too... some people just don't recover, I was one of the lucky ones

.....good one

[soulja_girl]

we can't See God, but i know that he's still up there looking on what we are doing!! Just Have faith in Him and you can feel and see Him inside your Heart!!

[Toudiyama]

we can't See God, but i know that he's still up there looking on what we are doing!! Just Have faith in Him and you can feel and see Him inside your Heart!!

And How do you know this? you don't, you BELIEVE it
there is no proof for the exsistence of a god or gods(no capitals)

now I know there will be people saying that there is no proof of no gods exsisting too but then neither is there for unicorns or giant spagetti monsters or a parallel universe
You can not even proof santa claus doesn't exsist
Why do you think you know the christian story is true and not the hindu story?

[Durete]

actually believe as we know now 'doesnt mean the same as it did back than.
the origional meaning ofthe word believe is:
believe=Knowing what is right/truth.

anyways:
you cannot prove that something exists or doesn't exist that you do not see.

The only way to find out if God really exists..is to die.
The only way to find out of "Chi" actually exists (like those over distance knockouts) well...you can't know if it'exists or not. nobody can prove that it either exists or not.

sure you can see from both God, and Chi that it does do something but you cannot prove if that comes from either one.

[kingoftheforest]

Pair of ducks

Actually god exists on faith alone. If you were to prove that god existed you would not need faith in him therefore he would cease to exist.

It's a paradox.

I prefer to feel that I alone am accountable for my own actions and neither exterior forces of "good" or "evil" can be blamed instead of me.

Not to mention this could spark the whole discussion of what exactly "good" and "evil" are since it seems to vary from culture to culture depending on what's socially acceptable.

[Durete]

Hmm something interesting that you say:

I prefer to feel that I alone am accountable for my own actions and neither exterior forces of "good" or "evil" can be blamed instead of me.

From where did you got the believe that knowing that God exists and following him changes that you are responsable for your own actions?

The Bible tells you to act responsible, to take your responsibility,
But aswell as that there is an bigger higher force than you or other humans here,
One that made you, one that we call God, one that you should respect and thank for everything that we got.
Every Good time in life but also the challenges that he gives us in life so we can become stronger, but at the same time one that loves you as his child.
also punnishes you as an good father would punnish his child to teach him what is good and bad. and to let the child grow up with a feeling of right and wrong, and to be responsible.

The same as that we got an good (or for some bad) youth from our earthly parents we got everything that we got from God,
But that doesn't say that he didn't let us work hard for it.

In the end we are responsible for all that we do.
Now exept for the old type of father that would hit or even kill his child if it acts otherways than he likes,
He chooses to love the child and gives it an way to get out without an punnishment,
same as when you where young you stole an bike(something else) and your father would punnish you if you lied to him and said that you didn't stole it or makes you promise to not do it again and return the bike(or something else) to it's real owner and appologize to him and ask forgiveness.

In short:
If you did bad you will get bad back, if you did in the end good you will get good things back. so no-one's responsible but you for what you do in the end, we all make mistakes but we also have possibility's to make it right.

[kingoftheforest]

Free will??

Edi: This was fr Durete sorry meant to quote him.

Yes but since I don't believe in god than there is no heaven or hell as reward or punishment, only my own actions and conscience.

I don't need someone to offer me something to do "good" and I don't need someone to threaten punishment if I do "bad".

In relationships where a man tells a woman if she doesn't do what he wants he will hurt her and if she does what he wants he will buy her nice things, they call this an abusive relationship.

god says do what I tell you and you will be rewarded with heaven , don't and you will be punished with hell. That's not allowing free will, that's putting guide lines on how you should think and act.


And I mean no offense by this but please work on your grammar and spelling. It would help get your point across if people didn't have to reread your post 2 or 3 times to understand what you are trying to say.

I am not trying to be disrespectful, you have a good discussion going but if it's to hard to understand you it's going to kill it.

[kingoftheforest]

Post Script:



Or a Parrot Ox.

If someone proved that Bigfoot existed, would Bigfoot disappear, too?

I think I disagree with the first part of your argument. There are plenty of things that exist without proof. They are not there because of faith. They're there - and people have faith. Existence and faith are not codependent.

Planets were once a figment of speculation and faith as well. Their discovery did not change their existence. Giant squids were fiction - until someone proved they were there. Dark matter in the universe is thus far only proven because no other explanation makes sense - but no one can show proof that it exists. Will proof invalidate the thing? Of course not.

Proof may redefine it, as would proof of God, but that hardly endangers its existence.

It clearly states in the Bible that you will find salvation through "faith" in god. If you knew he existed you wouldn't need faith because you would know for sure that following him would take you to heaven.

The faith part is the whole basis for the religion proof would take that away and make faith unnecessary.

If people proved Big Foot existed he would disappear only because he would be hunted down and experimented on. Big Foot has never left a text claiming he had a path to heaven.

God is a faith based almighty savior of the masses, Big Foot is just a hairy humanoid creature that hasn't performed any mi9rcales or caused any huge wars to my knowledge.

[Durete]

Hmm, little thing that is said here, wich is an misconception.

It clearly states in the Bible that you will find salvation through "faith" in god. If you knew he existed you wouldn't need faith because you would know for sure that following him would take you to heaven.

If you look in the old scriptures for faith is used an worth, wich is translated into "Believe that something's true" however.
back than it didn't mean believing as now,
but like "Knowing that something's true" not as in the word believe that we know with "Believing that something's true.

Hope you get the meaning of the text with knowing this, feel free to look it up


Also it is said the only way to be saved is throught Jesus.
not by repentence or by doing something, but only throught Jesus.


also:

god says do what I tell you and you will be rewarded with heaven , don't and you will be punished with hell. That's not allowing free will, that's putting guide lines on how you should think and act.

God asks us to follow him, he doesn't say "You have to do this" or "you have to do that" people say it, God doesn't.
we will not be punnished too hell, we will be rewarded if we accept Jesus to heaven, that's an total other thing

You follow Jesus=you go to his home, heaven
You follow something else than Jesus=you will not be accepted in Jesus home.

simple as that.
Following Jesus has nothing to do with cons, but only with pre's.