Yes or No

[jubaji]

No dictator want radicalism, it undermines their authority.
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Yeah, your buddy just built all those mosques by accident with the money he got from the UN Oil for Food Program. He just supported militant islamic groups because he thought they were collecting for Unicef.

[jubaji]

wtf?

and dont call ME the spaceman,freak youre the one spouting the invisible aliens killed Kennedy as well as blaming them for terrorism...the only people who spout that shit, are Scum like you and Icke hide your rascist crap behind sarcasm all day, go ahead play stupid punk, Im on to you.

Ok, so you really, serioulsy need to get back on the medication, kid. You're really losing it now.

[BoarSpear]

Ok, so you really, serioulsy need to get back on the medication, kid. You're really losing it now.

nice try scum That dog wont hunt...

[BoarSpear]

Yeah, your buddy just built all those mosques by accident with the money he got from the UN Oil for Food Program. He just supported militant islamic groups because he thought they were collecting for Unicef.

How many mosques did he build BEFORE we slaughtered his retreating army and began strangling his nation with sanctions?...christians are so proud of claiming there arent any athiests in foxholes...then they get all indignant when Arabs get religion when under attack?

update for the brain dead morons. 9/8/06

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20060908/ap_on_go_co/iraq_report_31

Senate: Saddam saw al-Qaida as threat



WASHINGTON -
Saddam Hussein regarded al-Qaida as a threat rather than a possible ally, a Senate report says, contradicting assertions
President Bush has used to build support for the war in
Iraq. The report also newly faults intelligence gathering in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion.


Released Friday, the report discloses for the first time an October 2005
CIA assessment that prior to the war Saddam's government "did not have a relationship, harbor or turn a blind eye toward" al-Qaida operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or his associates.

As recently as an Aug. 21 news conference, Bush said people should "imagine a world in which you had Saddam Hussein" with the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction and "who had relations with Zarqawi."

Democrats contended that the administration continues to use faulty intelligence, including assertions of a link between Saddam's government and the recently killed al-Zarqawi, to justify the war in Iraq.

They also said, in remarks attached to Friday's Senate Intelligence Committee document, that former CIA Director George Tenet had modified his position on the terrorist link at the request of administration policymakers.

Republicans said the document, which compares prewar intelligence with post-invasion findings on Iraq's weapons and on terrorist groups, broke little new ground. And they said Democrats were distorting it for political purposes.

A previous report in 2004 made clear the intelligence agencies' "massive failures," said Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., a member of the committee. "Yet to make a giant leap in logic to claim that the Bush administration intentionally misled the nation or manipulated intelligence is simply not warranted."

White House press secretary Tony Snow said the report was "nothing new."

A second part of the report concluded that false information from the Iraqi National Congress, an anti-Saddam group led by then-exile Ahmed Chalabi, was used to support key U.S. intelligence assessments on Iraq.

It said U.S. intelligence agents put out numerous red flags about the reliability of INC sources but the intelligence community made a "serious error" and used one source who concocted a story that Iraq was building mobile biological weapons laboratories.

The report also said that in 2002 the National Security Council directed that funding for the INC should continue "despite warnings from both the CIA, which terminated its relationship with the INC in December 1996, and the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency), that the INC was penetrated by hostile intelligence services, including the Iranians."

According to the report, postwar findings indicate that Saddam "was distrustful of al-Qaida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime."

It said al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad from May until late November 2002. But "postwar information indicates that Saddam Hussein attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi and that the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi."

In June 2004, Bush defended Vice President
Dick Cheney's assertion that Saddam had "long-established ties" with al-Qaida. "Zarqawi is the best evidence of connection to al-Qaida affiliates and al-Qaida," the president said.

The report concludes that postwar findings do not support a 2002 intelligence report that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program, possessed biological weapons or had ever developed mobile facilities for producing biological warfare agents.

"The report is a devastating indictment of the Bush-Cheney administration's unrelenting, misleading and deceptive attempts to convince the American people that Saddam Hussein was linked with al-Qaida," said Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., a member of the committee.

Levin and Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the panel, said Tenet told the committee last July that in 2002 he had complied with an administration request "to say something about not being inconsistent with what the president had said" about the Saddam-terrorist link.

They said that on Oct. 7, 2002, the same day Bush gave a speech speaking of such a link, the CIA had sent a declassified letter to the committee saying it would be an "extreme step" for Saddam to assist Islamist terrorists in attacking the United States.

They said Tenet acknowledged to the committee that subsequently issuing a statement that there was no inconsistency between the president's speech and the CIA viewpoint was "the wrong thing to do."

Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said the mistakes of prewar intelligence have long been known and "the additional views of the committee's Democrats are little more than a rehashing of the same unfounded allegations they've used for over three years."

The panel report is Phase II of an analysis of prewar intelligence on Iraq. The first phase, issued in July 2004, focused on the CIA's failings in its estimates of Iraq's weapons program.

The second phase had been delayed as Republicans and Democrats fought over what information should be declassified and how far the committee should delve into the question of whether policymakers may have manipulated intelligence to make the case for war.

Committee member Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said he planned to ask for an investigation into the amount of information remaining classified. He said, "I am particularly concerned it appears that information may have been classified to shield individuals from accountability."

[jubaji]

seriously...

nice try scum That dog wont hunt...

Sure...the dog ...and the hunting....

Who knew that I would set off your "insane" program by chance like this?


What are the odds?



Maybe pretty good in your case.

[jubaji]

How many mosques did he build BEFORE we slaughtered his retreating army and began strangling his nation with sanctions?...christians are so proud of claiming there arent any athiests in foxholes...then they get all indignant when Arabs get religion when under attack?

Oh-ho! Changing your tune so quickly? Now you've gone from denial to rationalization!

[BoarSpear]

Sure...the dog ...and the hunting....

Who knew that I would set off your "insane" program by chance like this?


What are the odds?



Maybe pretty good in your case.

dude are you reading from one of icke's scripts as you type? once again you reply almost word for word from the expose on the freak

enjoy your charade, people are catching on.

[BoarSpear]

Oh-ho! Changing your tune so quickly? Now you've gone from denial to rationalization!

Who changed their tune? you claim Saddam was muslim extremist terrorist friend...thats a FREAKIN LIE!!

so your complaint is ..."after we bombed his nation, and destroyed his military he dealt with less than desirable people?".... how the hell did he get those weapons of mass destruction anyway?... Oh yeah, When the US was dealing with HIM... so whats your point?

Two enemies joining to fight a common enemy is normal...we created the situation...If we never attacked him and starved his people, he wouldnt have had to turn to the religious nuts for help huh? So we did this to ourselves enjoy that cheap oil...oh wait it aint very freakin cheap is it?....

[medic06]

:d :d Lmao!!!!!

[Tom Yum]

It is interesting that you talk of cities in the EU being breeding grounds for terrorists but the largest terrorist organisation in europe by far (the IRA) was funded by donations from US citizens until 9/11 when they suddenly realized what it was like to live in a place under the threat of terror. I live in Northern Ireland right now and can tell you that this is true.

Your comment about taking it to the terrorists is completely false. Iraq were no threat to the US before the invasion. I know you believe what you are saying so I am not calling you a liar but you need to look further into what is happenning rather than believing what you are being told.

Cam

There are groups recruiting for Islamic extremists in the EU. I'm not just saying this because its what I'm told.

[jubaji]

dude are you reading from one of icke's scripts as you type? once again you reply almost word for word from the expose on the freak

enjoy your charade, people are catching on.

Is this another of your conspiracy things? You are really coming off as more of a lunatic than usual.

[BoarSpear]

There's a difference between states sponsoring terrorism and people who live there sponsoring terrorism. Either way, it's wrong, but there is a difference just the same. Besides, the Brits DID declare us an insurgent nation and tried to invade us once before - it was called the American Revolution.

Really whats the difference? Which one dont we respond to by bombing and or invading?

What type of terrorist were we bombing in afghanistan?... we still have troops on the ground and bombers in the air there...

How did it turn out different for the civilians on the ground when our bombs started falling in afghanistan than the civilians who died in Iraq?

it isnt like saddams army was volunteer so why slaughter it on the road? how do you surrender to a b-52? We bombed them for a month before the troops who were forced to fight could even see us to surrender!

besides if it is state sponsored, doesnt that mean the GOVT supports it?
So why bomb the people? bush has less than a 40% approval rating...doesnt that qualify this as a state sponsored war?

since we claim the people didnt support saddam why did we have to bomb them?

if they agree with the govt, then thats a nation of the people sponsoring terrorist..so which is it mike? and which one is right to kill the civilians over?

[BoarSpear]

Is this another of your conspiracy things? You are really coming off as more of a lunatic than usual.

whatever dude dont even waste youre time acting like you arent parroting Icke's agenda.

[BoarSpear]

BoarSpear,
Here are some highlights. I never said Saddam was friends with Iran, either. I said he allowed terrorists to travel freely in and out of Iran and Syria. This is twice now you've tried to twist my words to fit your arguments...

At any rate, here are some examples off the top of my head. I'll look up some more. And before you claim that these are more Bush-lip, most of what you're about to read was written and decided during the Clinton years.

Iraq is one of seven countries that have been designated by the Secretary of State as state sponsors of international terrorism. UNSCR 687 prohibits Saddam Hussein from committing or supporting terrorism, or allowing terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Saddam continues to violate these UNSCR provisions.



In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.



Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.


Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.


Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.


In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue."


Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

HUH so a united nations Sanction was defied...I dont see the UN bombing them or invading them...In fact i see the US pissing them off by attacking Iraq when The UN didnt want to.

i didnt twist your words, your president twisted the game...Iraq used US supplied weapons and had SF advisors during its war with IRAN...US soldiers invaded IRAN leading assaults...British SAS helped them by leading divers to sink shipping...that doesnt sound like Saddam and IRAN cooperating much
that sounds like a Bush and Saddam cooperating NOW that the US has invaded Iraq, they have something in common with IRAN, an enemy...If you dont like it bitch at bush not me

Its a known fact enemies bond together to fight a greater threat...are you denying the USA is a larger threat than any other middle eastern nation? didnt think so...they ALL KNOW when one falls we will use it to gain a toe hold and strengthen our military platform in the area. they all know we are going to defend israel...so that makes us their enemy..We know it, they know it.

[jubaji]

Who changed their tune? you claim Saddam was muslim extremist terrorist friend.......

If you mean that he used, supported, and sponsored terrorism, it is a matter of fact. Put down the UFO mags once in a while.