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**jubaji** · 12-24-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by BitchSpear

you were attempting to discredit me....:

You've discredited yourself over and over and over again. You really seem to like getting your ass kicked for some reason.

**BoarSpear** · 12-24-2005, 04:11 PM

Gehlen had not been some cloistered spy. His job had not been simply to coordinate the gathering of information. He had been a key leader of the work of fascist groups in the occupied East, such as the Iron Guard in Romania, the Latvian Vanagis and the Croatian Ustashe. These groups committed the most unimaginably brutal atrocities against 'Untermenschen', Jews, 'gypsies', Serbs and other Slavs and Orthodox Christians, as well as against anti-Nazis, both Communist and non-Communist, including various Nationalist groups, which resisted the Nazis. Gehlen was a leading war criminal.

Did Allen Dulles know all this? Of course he knew all this - he was a U.S. spymaster with almost three decades experience and he had worked with the Nazi leadership for years. Dulles arranged to have Gehlen secretly brought to the U.S. precisely so that the Russians wouldn't get hold of him and put him on trial for war crimes and hang him.

Once they had Gehlen safely in the U.S., Allen Dulles and other top U.S. Intelligence operatives met with Gehlen and planned a nightmare creation: a vast European spying-and-subversion apparatus, controlled by Washington but staffed by hundreds and then thousands of Nazi war criminals. The Nazis may have lost the war but Nazism had found new life. (6)

Worst Kept Secrets of a Bumbling Bear

http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/gehlen2.htm

HMMMMM whats more believable, page after page of studies and documents that say America absorbed top nazis then set them up running our anti soviet branch (the BND) in occupied germany? Or all your nuh uhs and word games?

I havent seen you post one single piece of documentation to support your denials...your ONLY support has been JUBAJI....that should tell you something....i have Supreme CT justices and pages of documentation to support my statement...you have a bunch of NUH uhs and jubaji....

**BoarSpear** · 12-24-2005, 06:34 PM

dude, operation paperclip...google it...its historical fact that gehlen ran the gelhen org...that became the BND BOTH were headed by GEHLEN a top NAZI...BND was a CIA startup project...we supplied the nazis....and the 20 million dollars to set his office up....he ran our intell game against the russians...thats running american CIA projects that covered an entire country and our safety.....you just refuse to admit it...its historical fact....until you admit that im done here....i wont let you run your game on me...you started this attack on me...your losing...now you wanna change discussions...either admit Gelhen was A top NAZI who we gave immunity and set up as the gelhen org or im through with this....you want to deny HISTORICAL FACT....now you sound like the people who deny the Nazi crimes.....youre deny fact because it doesnt suit your agenda....tough its a fact.

**medic06** · 12-24-2005, 08:14 PM

Martial arts and politics. . . .

**medic06** · 12-26-2005, 04:59 PM

the problem is you shouldn't come under fire, your views should be up for scrutiny. Unfortunately almost every thread so far has bogged down into differing semantics and wild accusations.

**medic06** · 12-26-2005, 08:21 PM

to be honest with you I think both sides are basically disagreeing only on a few different points. The rest is just semantics (kind of like religion).

My personal view is that yes, we should fight enemies of our country. But I disagree to the means with which we are doing it.

Of course I'm not very well versed in politics. I have the typical scientist's adversion to politics.

**BoarSpear** · 12-28-2005, 02:57 PM

I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan:

1. The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. We will promise never to "interfere" again.

2. We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No more sneaking through holes in the fence.

3. All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.

4. All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 day visits unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself, don't hide here. Asylum would not ever be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers.

5. No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home, baby.

6. The US will make a strong effort to become self sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non polluting sources of energy but may require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7. Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrelfor their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else.

8. If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere". They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them gets "lost" or is taken by their army. The people who need it most get very little, anyway.

9.
A. Ship the UN Headquarters to an island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, it would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

B. Use the buildings as replacement for the twin towers.

10. All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer.

Now, ain't that a winner of a plan?

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'" - Robin Williams
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**Tom Yum** · 12-28-2005, 03:41 PM