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    I picked up my old copy of the Hagakure and decided to start reading it again, since it'd been a year or two. I like to re-read books that I've enjoyed in the past to see if I can get a different meaning or feeling from the book.

    One of the thoughts that came across my mind: what kind of backgrounds did they come from? How did they live there lives? I've summed it up here with information straight from wikipedia.

    Samurai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "A samurai was expected to read and write, as well as to know some mathematics. Toyotomi Hideyoshi, a great samurai yet originally a peasant, could only read and write in hiragana and this was a significant drawback for him. Samurai were expected, though not required, to have interests in other arts such as dancing, Go (Chinese Chess?), literature, poetry, and tea. Ōta Dōkan who first ruled Edo wrote how he was shamed to realize that even a commoner had more knowledge of poetry than he.
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    Samurai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The marriage of samurai was done by having a marriage arranged by someone with the same or higher rank than those being married. While for those samurai in the upper ranks this was a necessity (as most had few opportunities to meet a female), this was a formality for lower ranked samurai. Most samurai married women from a samurai family, but for a lower ranked samurai marriages with commoners were permitted. In these marriages a dowry was brought by the woman and was used to start their new lives.

    A samurai could have a mistress but her background was strictly checked by higher ranked samurai. In many cases, this was treated like a marriage. "Kidnapping" a mistress, although common in fiction, would have been shameful, if not a crime. When she was a commoner, a messenger would be sent with betrothal money or a note for exemption of tax to ask for her parent's acceptance and many parents gladly accepted. If a samurai's wife gave birth to a son he could be a samurai.

    A samurai could divorce his wife for a variety of reasons with approval from a superior, but divorce was, while not entirely nonexistent, a rare event. A reason for divorce would be if she could not produce a son, but then adoption could be arranged as an alternative to divorce. A samurai could divorce for personal reasons, even if he simply did not like his wife, but this was generally avoided as it would embarrass the samurai who had arranged the marriage. A woman could also arrange a divorce, although it would generally take the form of the samurai divorcing her. After a divorce samurai had to return the betrothal money, which often prevented divorces. Some rich merchants had their daughters marry samurai to erase a samurai's debt and advance their positions."


    Samurai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The philosophies of Buddhism and Zen, and to a lesser extent Confucianism and Shinto, influenced the samurai culture. Zen meditation became an important teaching due to it offering a process to calm one's mind. The Buddhist concept of reincarnation and rebirth led samurai to abandon torture and needless killing, while some samurai even gave up violence altogether and became Buddhist monks after realizing how fruitless their killings were. Some were killed as they came to terms with these realizations in the battlefield. The most defining role that Confucianism played in samurai philosophy was to stress the importance of the lord-retainer relationship; this is, the loyalty that a samurai was required to show his lord.

    Bushidō ("way of the warrior") was a term attached to a samurai "code of conduct" or way of life enforced during Edo period by the Tokugawa Shogunate, so that they could control the samurai more easily. Its deceptive simplicity led to countless arguments over its interpretation. Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai by Yamamoto Tsunetomo is a manual of instruction into the way of the samurai. Even as it was published, it received a number of reviews that criticized its strict and impersonal interpretations. If the lord is wrong, for example if he ordered a massacre of civilians, should he observe loyalty to massacre as ordered or should he observe rectitude to let the civilians escape unharmed? If a man had sick parents but committed an unforgivable mistake, should he protect his honour by committing seppuku or should he show courage by living with dishonor and care for his parents?
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    The Samurai seem like a very interesting class of warriors, compared to other warriors around the world. If I'm not mistaken, Hindus have a warrior caste called the Sikhs whom live by their own religious faith, traditions and regiments.

    Its interesting to read about the Warrior classes of the past around the world and see how they are related or different from what we would call a warrior today.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
    I picked up my old copy of the Hagakure and decided to start reading it again, since it'd been a year or two. I like to re-read books that I've enjoyed in the past to see if I can get a different meaning or feeling from the book.

    One of the thoughts that came across my mind: what kind of backgrounds did they come from? How did they live there lives? I've summed it up here with information straight from wikipedia.
    OH NO you used wikipedia as a source!! Sorry couldn't resist.

    Have you read Living The Martial Way by Forest Morgan? I think you'd enjoy it.

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    • #3
      Most disciplined warriors

      I thought the fact that Samurai were told to put on rouge if they looked pale so that they would not disgrace themselves by looking like a scared corpse.

      Of course homosexuality was a huge thing at one point among the Samurai and some of them thought it was an honorable thing.

      But they had a strict code of honor and ethics. The Hagakure was suggested to me by Boar and it has definitely been a very good manual for how to live a good life with very few regrets.

      Living the martial way as TTE pointed out is a great book. I have thanked him any times since he gave it to me for my last birthday.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
        Of course homosexuality was a huge thing at one point among the Samurai and some of them thought it was an honorable thing..
        That's messed up.

        Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
        But they had a strict code of honor and ethics. The Hagakure was suggested to me by Boar and it has definitely been a very good manual for how to live a good life with very few regrets. Living the martial way as TTE pointed out is a great book. I have thanked him any times since he gave it to me for my last birthday.
        I'll check it out. I don't think any of these texts can replace one's religious faith, but I think the philosophy can give you a different outlook.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post

          The Hagakure has definitely been a very good manual for how to live.

          Of course homosexuality was a huge thing at one point among the Samurai and some of them thought it was an honorable thing.

          I have thanked TTE many times since he gave it to me for my last birthday.


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          More information than we needed...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
            That's messed up.



            I'll check it out. I don't think any of these texts can replace one's religious faith, but I think the philosophy can give you a different outlook.
            Don't worry it isn't intended to replace your faith, it's written to help people understand honor and the role warriorship plays in the life of a true martial artist.

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            • #7
              Anyway, while those two are off on Brokeback Mountain...


              It seems the idea of the Samurai has been taken up again and again through history as a reflection or despository of whatever values one wants to glorify or villify at a given moment. Given the long history and radically varied circumstances of different groups and individual Samurai over time a wide range of values and characteristics can, and are, attributed to them.

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              • #8
                Jubaji's misses Dick.

                Originally posted by jubaji View Post
                Anyway, while those two are off on Brokeback Mountain...


                It seems the idea of the Samurai has been taken up again and again through history as a reflection or despository of whatever values one wants to glorify or villify at a given moment. Given the long history and radically varied circumstances of different groups and individual Samurai over time a wide range of values and characteristics can, and are, attributed to them.
                Why is it that you always seek to put a homosexual spin on everything? It seems to be one of your favorite pastimes it's obvious that you have a fascination with homosexuality but you need to keep your fantasies to yourself.

                Nothing to contribute on topic you just wanted to spew homosexual fantasies all over the thread I guess DH's gay porn posting got you all frenzied eh?

                Back on topic and back to ignoring the little homosexual troll Jubaji.

                Here's a little info on Living the Martial way.


                CONTENTS

                Foreword ............................................... 1

                INTRODUCTION ........................................... 3
                Background on the Martial Arts ......................... 5
                Martial Arts, Martial Ways, and The Martial Way ........ 9
                Why Practice The Martial Way Today? ................... 10
                The Design of This Book ............................... 11

                PART ONE: THE WAY OF TRAINING

                Chapter 1: The Warrior Mind-Set ....................... 17
                Getting the Mind-Set .................................. 24
                Acknowledge Your Warriorship .......................... 25
                Pursue Internal Versus External Objectives ............ 27

                Chapter 2: Your Martial Destiny ....................... 33
                Doctrine, Strategy, and Tactics ....................... 36
                Choose Your Strategic Foundations ..................... 40
                Analyze the Threat .................................... 41
                Evaluate Your Physical and Emotional Assets ........... 42
                Select a Doctrine ..................................... 43
                The Pitfalls of Narrow Doctrine ....................... 44
                Build Your Skills Around a Doctrinal Core ............. 47

                Chapter 3: Train as Warriors Train..................... 51
                Make Training a Daily Regimen ......................... 54
                Employ Shugyo in your Training ........................ 56
                Take a Jutsu Approach to Training...................... 61

                Chapter 4: The Warrior's Way of Strategy............... 75
                Plan Your Strategy in Four Phases...................... 79
                Identify Your Strategic Objectives .................... 79
                Collect Intelligence................................... 81
                Plan for Environment................................... 83
                Program for Engagement................................. 85
                How to Develop Tactics ................................ 87
                Read Your Opponent .................................... 98
                Control the Fighting Range ............................ 90
                Feint Effectively...................................... 92
                Use Rhythm and Timing ................................. 93
                Avoid, Evade, and Intercept ........................... 95

                Chapter 5: The Warrior's Spell Book .................. 101
                Kiai and tiki ........................................ 103
                Find Kokoro .......................................... 107
                Practice Haragei ..................................... 111
                Develop Kokyu Chikara ................................ 116
                Apply Kime ........................................... 118
                Practice Kata With Utmost Seriousness ................ 122
                Mushin - Mind Without Thinking ....................... 123
                Zanshin - So Alert You Dominate ...................... 128

                PART TWO: THE WAY OF HONOR

                Chapter 6: The Foundations of Honor .................. 137
                The Basic Tenets of Honor ............................ 142
                Obligation ........................................... 143
                Justice .............................................. 144
                Courage .............................................. 148
                Honor and Face ....................................... 149
                Develop Your Own Sense of Honor ...................... 152

                Chapter 7: Honor in Action ........................... 157
                Putting Honeor to Work ............................... 159
                Truthfulness ......................................... 159
                Courtesy.............................................. 161
                Restraint ............................................ 163
                Loyalty .............................................. 165
                Service .............................................. 170
                Honor in the Fog of Life ............................. 171

                Chapter 8: Revenge and Suicide: Perversions of Honor . 177
                The Forty-Seven Faithful Ronin ....................... 180
                Revenge and the Scales of Honor ...................... 182
                Suicide: Courage or Cowardice? ....................... 186
                Standards for Planning Revenge and Suicide ........... 188

                PART THREE: THE WAY OF LIVING

                Chapter 9: Warrior Fitness ........................... 195
                The Great Sham of Modern Martial Arts ................ 197
                The Qualities of Warrior Fitness ..................... 199
                Body Types and Muscle Physiology ..................... 205
                The Three Pillars of Fitness ......................... 209
                Train for Muscular Strength and Endurance ............ 210
                Condition for Aerobic Capacity ....................... 212
                Develop Flexibility .................................. 217
                Nutrition and Weight Control ......................... 220

                Chapter 10: Religion and Mysticism ................... 227
                Eastern versus Western Religious Thought ............. 229
                The Principle Asian Religious Doctrines .............. 231
                Confucianism: The Way of the Sages ................... 232
                Taoism: In Pursuit of the One True Way ............... 235
                Buddhism: Following the Eightfold Path ............... 240
                Shinto: The Nay of the Kumi .......................... 248
                Mysticism and the Danger of Cults .................... 252
                Martial Arts Training and Religious Convictions ...... 256

                Chapter 11: The Warrior Stands Alone ................. 261
                The Three Keys to Warrior Dignity .................... 264
                Develop a Commanding Posture ......................... 265
                Discover the Power of Physical Grace ................. 268
                Cultivate the Austere Quality of Shibumi ............. 270
                The Secret of Personal Power ......................... 274

                Chapter 12: Mastery and The Martial Way .............. 281
                Mastery in The Martial Arts and Ways ................. 286
                Mastery in The Martial Way ........................... 291

                Appendix A: Glossary ................................. 301
                Appendix B: Selected Bibliography .................... 309




                FOREWORD

                THE ASIAN MARTIAL ARTS are grounded in a rich heritage of blood and honor, and they have a great deal to offer serious students in today's dangerous world. Unfortunately, in most modern schools that heritage has been lost. It seems that the modern world and the marketing that drives it revolves around sport competition. As a result, students in today's schools are only getting the surface features of a deeply rooted tradition, and even older styles of the traditional arts are gradually losing their historical perspective. Sadly, with each new generation more is lost. This is a bitter pill to swallow for traditionalists such as my teachers and me, who have devoted our lives to preserving those legacies.

                Unlike most modern martial artists, Forrest Morgan understands and appreciates the rich heritage of martial arts tradition. When I first met Mr. Morgan in early 1988, he already had more than 15 years of training and experience in a particularly formal style of Asian combat. But he was discouraged that his original system, rigorous as it had once been, had given way to the pressures of modern sport application, and he expressed a desire to study the more traditional styles. I was impressed but a little skeptical of his willingness to begin again in an entirely new form of martial art after having already attained considerable stature in his primary art. But without hesitation, he strapped on a white belt and began scrubbing mats along side beginners half his age.

                In the years since our meeting I've watched Mr. Morgan's warriorship mature. He now has more than twenty years of experience in the martial arts, and he applies the principles he teaches in his book both in and out of the training hall. Forrest Morgan is no mere martial artist. He's a warrior, and he truly lives The Martial Way!

                Mr. Morgan gives aspirants a course to follow for their lives' well-being as well as their martial arts success. This book is long overdue, one that every martial artist should add to his or her library. If, like most students, you have a teacher who does not teach these values, this book will fill the gap. If you're fortunate enough to have one who does, it will surely reinforce how lucky you really are.

                DENNIS G. PALUMBO
                Kaiden Shihan (8th Dan) of the Hakko Ryu Director, Hakko Ryu Martial Arts Federation

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                • #9
                  Try to relax. Sheesh, your kind is so emotional.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TTEscrima View Post

                    Nothing to contribute on topic

                    Was the topic copying and pasting tables of contents? Nicely done.

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                    • #11
                      It seems the idea of the Samurai has been taken up again and again through history as a reflection or despository of whatever values one wants to glorify or villify at a given moment. Given the long history and radically varied circumstances of different groups and individual Samurai over time a wide range of values and characteristics can, and are, attributed to them.

                      A Samurai living in the relative peace and high culture of the Tokugawa era would pursue a very different lifestyle, and likely have a very different outlook, than one living in the near-constant violence of the Warring States era. Expectations on each would be very different as well. Learning and scholarship and a spiritual aspect would have been valued in the abstract during earlier eras, but circumstances would not have allowed their cultivation during times of war and want the way they did during times of peace when the near-obsolescence of the Samurai as a fighting force allowed (and perhaps necessitated) a more refined way of life. Then too, in any era the life of a lowly ashigaru would have been unrecognizable from that of an important commander, and the conditions for a Samurai serving a wealthy lord vs. that of a small or rural fief would be very different in any time. There were so many different conditions, circumstances, and expectations for Samurai living in different times and places that a wide variety of values and characteristics can, and are, attributed to them. All of which says more, of course, about the person(s) making such determinations than about the Samurai themselves.

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                      • #12
                        Gay Samurai? say it ain't so..

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                        • #13
                          TTE's contribution was a good peek into the book. Speaking of gay samurai, where's Samurai guy...jk. I guess he's probably in his 2nd or 3rd year of college, gotten some stead play and is busy with his homework.

                          And after a full day of running, classroom work, some considerable work on the O-course and demopit run I'm out...zzzzzz


                          Good night!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
                              TTE's contribution was a good peek into the book. Speaking of gay samurai, where's Samurai guy...jk. I guess he's probably in his 2nd or 3rd year of college, gotten some stead play and is busy with his homework.

                              And after a full day of running, classroom work, some considerable work on the O-course and demopit run I'm out...zzzzzz


                              Good night!
                              When you get some free time...lol never mind.

                              (I's a good book bro')

                              Good luck and stay positive.

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