cutting weight

[jubaji]

It's not my pride in a knot, it's yours. lol If you're the one denying doctors advice, then I have nothing to fear, because by doctors stating what I am hearing, it proves my idea about the matter correct. It's like you telling a trained animal expert that you can go attack the anaconda, it won't hurt you, may not the first few times, but sooner or later reality catches up. Plus I have proven my point, you have no evidense other than your luck to prove your point. You're the darwin nominee, not me. lol Btw, my statement was about what stigma said, which is generally what I said, not being careful can get you in tons of trouble and it's what the doctors and some more research showed.

Dr. Little:
You can keep going until your library card wears out, it cannot change the basic fact that you have no experience in the area you, for some reason, insist on ranting about. Take some time out from the latest edition of The Journal of Hysterical Geeks and read what has been posted here. Then, shut the **** up and go away.

[Megawolf]

Keep trying, chicken little. You can read all the books you want, interview bio-hydro-physio-whateverologists all day. It doesn't erase the fact that you have no experience in regard to the subject. For some reason you have gotten your little pride in a knot over the whole thing. Its starting to become comical at this point.

It's not my pride in a knot, it's yours. lol If you're the one denying doctors advice, then I have nothing to fear, because by doctors stating what I am hearing, it proves my idea about the matter correct. It's like you telling a trained animal expert that you can go attack the anaconda, it won't hurt you, may not the first few times, but sooner or later reality catches up. Plus I have proven my point, you have no evidense other than your luck to prove your point. You're the darwin nominee, not me. lol Btw, my statement was about what stigma said, which is generally what I said, not being careful can get you in tons of trouble and it's what the doctors and some more research showed.

[jubaji]

. I asked someone in the field and they said even though water loss in tiny amounts could be considered normal, as much as 1% could reduce, by quite a bit, one's performance, which is what you just stated.

Keep trying, chicken little. You can read all the books you want, interview bio-hydro-physio-whateverologists all day. It doesn't erase the fact that you have no experience in regard to the subject. For some reason you have gotten your little pride in a knot over the whole thing. Its starting to become comical at this point.

[Megawolf]

Thanks Stigma. I asked someone in the field and they said even though water loss in tiny amounts could be considered normal, as much as 1% could reduce, by quite a bit, one's performance, which is what you just stated. I still think proper diet is the best solution, but what some people were mentioning, like the sweat pants and sweat shirt along with a plastic bag over them was dangerous in itself. But then again I am one of those types of fighters who rather build muscle strength and speed than lose weight. Plus I have seen people use the water loss idea to lose weight and have seen quite a few bad things come of it, which is probably why I wanted to make sure he did not use that, because a proper diet in itself can give one the weight loss they want unless they just wanted the most impossible weight loss possible. My theory is if he could not make weight this time and was reasonable, then there is a next time and if he took it conservatively, then he would do much better. But once again Stigma thanks again. Be careful that the "water weight loss pro" whom thought I did not know anything say the same about you. But once again thanks.

[Stigma]

The fact of the matter is that in this case, the guy wanted to drop down 6 pounds, and some people suggested that disposing of some body-water might be an acceptable as part of the solution, on a short-tem basis.

unless this guy is a tiny-toon, 6 pounds alone wouldnt be anything critical even if all that weight came directly from body-water loss. And considering it was suggested as part of the solution, and not the only viable option, it would be realisticly be even less than 6 pounds. We are most likely talking about something well below 5%

Now, I don't normally encourage dehydration, because I believe its simply counter productive to developing your body in a positive way, however 6 pounds just isnt enough to do any kind of real damamge, no matter how he chose to loose it (short of carving of 6 pounds of flesh with a kinfe somewhere )

Its not a good alternative tho, to simply having reached your weight-limit by other means ahead of time. Unless you have a few days to recouperate after the weigh-in, water-loss will make you significantly weaker in a match, so in the end its your own loss. Of course, fasting, overtraining and other methods of loosing weight very quickly have much the same effect...

-Stigma

[jubaji]

Then show articles proving that large water loss is harmless. If you have been doing so much research into the topic, then prove it. Prove that the advice a lot of these studies, doctors, and such have given is false and you are right.

Good grief what a dope! If you read what was written, the person originally posing the question was told not to do too much or too often. But the fact remains that cutting some water will not kill you. Dr. Little insists that cutting the least bit of water will instantly mumify you because he has no experience of the subject he claims expertise in.

[Megawolf]

Then show articles proving that large water loss is harmless. If you have been doing so much research into the topic, then prove it. Prove that the advice a lot of these studies, doctors, and such have given is false and you are right.

[jubaji]

As I have said, I have done extensive study on many things dealing with the body and if this blah blah blah blah blah

You know, I've been reading alot about surgery lately. You need a gall bladder removed?

Go back and read what has been said. No one has advocated the chronic, drastic loss of water, but Dr. Chicken Little is convinced that if so much as a drop of persperation leaves the body the poor victim should be rushed to the ER right away.

You don't know what you are talking about. Have fun in the library.

[Megawolf]

If I don't know what I am talking about then all those university and government studies which came up with the same solution don't know what they're talking about. All the news reports on the topic don't know what they're talking about. Generally if all the facts point to something, then that's what it is. As I have said, I have done extensive study on many things dealing with the body and if this constant repetition of things is wrong, then why do the same results keep popping up in so many different studies of what happens to the body and such? But because one person tries it and lucks out by nothing happening, doesn't mean everyone is so lucky. Also, if by your advice anything happened to him, his parents could technically take legal action against everyone whom gave him ideas of how to lose weight and cheered what he did on. It's happened before, it's bound to happen again. Btw, do your research otherwise don't comment because next idea of what to do is show doctors I know this site and let them make comments on this topic. Them you can't really argue with because they went through years upon years of tedious education on the human body.

[jubaji]

I got this seemingly.


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cutting weight 03-09-2004 03:37 PM You don't know what you are talking about


Ok, to whomever ranked me as this in negative, I will prove what I am saying was and is true. .

Wow. You got a library card!

Its admirable you are so interested in learning to read, but the fact remains that you don't know what you are talking about.

[Megawolf]

DO NO DEHYDRATE YOURSELF. Not to be rude, but there is NEVER an excuse for that. Never, never, never, never dehydrate nor starve yourself, you will only do massive damage and recieve negative gains in whatever goal you wish to achieve unless it is a painful death possibly.

If you want to lose weight then practice 50 punches with each arm in 4 different stances. It will equal up to 200 over all and if you do it right will start you on an upper body workout. Along with that do 50 blocks the same. The two stances are right foot in front of the left, and then vice versa. Use right hand 50 times, left hand 50 times, switch feet, then right hand 50 times, and then left hand 50 times. Same with blocks. It may seem weak to some, but you will in time feel the difference. Then once it feels natural to do that and your punches and blocks go in almost the same path, then increase to 100, then 150, then 250, then 500 with each hand in increments not getting in a rush. A rush means improper training and you lose a lot of the benefit. On the blocks, you do it in like a waxing move from outside to inside, then inside to outside, that is one rep of it with that arm. Trust me, you will feel the results and stay as hydrated as you can and eat a proper diet, especially good in protein, fiber, and calcium.

For your lower body, do a jog for about 1/2 a mile, then when that feels normal go to 1 mil, then 2 miles, then 3 miles, then 4, then 5 increasing it by the mile. Also do leg kicks in reps. Same two stances, waxing kick in, waxing kick out, same as if blocks or punches. Then to work on your tummy a bit, do very slow situps, about 20, then 40, then 50, then 75, then 100. If you do them slow and do it right it should burn. Then to do stretches while working your midsection, both front and back, stand with your feet under their respective should, kinda like you're riding a horse type stance except not as far down. Then sway your shoulders left until your right shoulder is 90 degrees to both your right and left foot and in front of your strating position, then sway to your right until your left shoulder does the same which is then one rep. Be sure that always ending your rep count, that you end up back into your starting position. Start with 25 reps, then 50 reps, then increase it as needed in reps by 50 afterwards. You will lose fat, gain muscle, and become a lot healthier that way, plus increase your possible fighting potential.

I got this seemingly.


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cutting weight 03-09-2004 03:37 PM You don't know what you are talking about


Ok, to whomever ranked me as this in negative, I will prove what I am saying was and is true. Before judging me and my information, you need to educate yourself as I have done for many years. I don't disclose my background for reasons and be careful those who want to promote the actions listed in support against what I have advised, because unlike this website, you don't have a disclaimer, so please do research first. Some are edu sites and I may post gov sites also.

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"A weight loss of water between 5 and 10% of body weight is serious dehydration. Water loss can lead to:

Low blood pressure.
Heat exhaustion (person will have cool, clammy skin).
Heat stroke (severe dehydration).
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"In addition to water, potassium and sodium are lost in sweat during high-intensity exercise. These nutrients are important for:

Maintaining fluid balance.
Transmitting nerve impulses.
Contracting muscles.
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"Some bizarre and dangerous eating habits can develop. For example, wrestlers striving to qualify for lower weight classes may try to control their weight by:

Crash dieting.
Using diuretics and laxatives.
Inducing vomiting.
Wearing plastic suits to force perspiration.
Taking contrast showers (hot-and-cold) to make themselves urinate.
Even if daily multivitamin and mineral supplements are taken, deficiencies can occur with such bizarre eating behaviors. In addition, such behavior places a strain on the heart, digestive system, liver, and kidneys.
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Source for above is listed at http://www.four-h.purdue.edu/foods/M...s%20frame1.htm


The next one is by MIT about overall athlete health and even explains the dangers of some of losing too much water or some of the crash water and food losing diets expressed. One would have to be dense to ignore information from one of the most respected universities in the world. http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/...athletics.html

Just look for the following on the above listed site, see how serious what some of you are suggesting could be.

"Symptoms of dehydration: Progressive Fluid Loss

5% - 6% body weight loss
thirst
impairs body temperature regulation
dizziness
loss of appetite
increases pulse and respiratory rate
mental confusion
lethargy
increasing weakness
anxiety
heat exhaution
nausea
heat stroke
irritability
death"


I could go on for hours and even pages listing resources because I have learned quite well what it could do and have seen what happens to people whom try some of this weight losing stuff. Whomever thought I was stupid let me know if these are not enough sites and I will easily post more and more and more until you finally get convinced of the truth. For those who thought water loss and crash diets were the way, they're not. They're dangerous and the only true good way for weight loss is long term arobic exercise and a proper diet, plain and simple fact. If you don't like facts then don't judge me, just try your own ideas themselves until you finally realize too late what you did, just be sure to let me know ahead of time so I can monitor it so I can when something bad does happen, mention you for a darwin award or at least an honorable mention in it. The above are some facts from just universities, many other universities and government agencies have the same posts, some in a lot more detail and if the above is not enough to satisfy your opinion, then let me know cause I can keep posting to no ends websites, quotes, and so forth from research data. Goodnight and have a nice day.

[jubaji]

I know that you could not have wrestled, boxed in been involved in a sport that involves making weight.

It could not be more obvious.

[jubaji]

Me personally no because

Then shut up

[IPON]

Me personally no because I am not that stupid. But sadly I have had friends that stupid, most worried about their weight and thinking water is just weight so get rid of it theory

I think that you are confusing concepts. Long term dieting and lifestyle change (including aerobic and anarobic conditioning) I would agree with 100%. In the long term you are correct people if people believe that weight loss due to the reduction of water or muscle equals actual loss of fat they are grossly mistaken.

However, in the immediate shortterm a drop of 6lbs to "make weight" in not so bad,the plastics not "paper" bags just facilatate the sweating just as staying in a sauna room (which is another option). I have lost more than 6lbs of water in wrestling practice with just a sweat shirt on. I would not reccommend that for long term use nor would I say during the summer months but it is still winter in most places. I know that you could not have wrestled, boxed or been involved in a sport that involves weight classes.

[Megawolf]

You must have had some horrible experiences cutting weight. Please elaborate.

Me personally no because I am not that stupid. But sadly I have had friends that stupid, most worried about their weight and thinking water is just weight so get rid of it theory. Doesn't work too well, plus in medical journals it says serious weight loss due to willingly losing water can be extremely dangerous. As for my past I have no intentions of elaborating on friends ideas, they know my opinion. But doing something like that is very dangerous and could end you up in the hospital. I feel if someone keeps healthy and eats and lives healthy, not too overboard of course, then they should not worry about their weight and if they do then they need to grow up because nothing is that important. A proper diet and exercise along with plenty of laughter, even if over stupid stuff, should keep just about anyone healthy and where they should be in life.