marijuana

[EmptyneSs]

hey do any of u people who train hard use marijuana? personally i i do enjoy smoking marijuana sometimes. i know alot of people may look down on me for it, but honestly i do get alot out of it. when i smoke marijuana it alllowes me to reflect apon things from different perspectives. it opens me up to different ideas and concepts, and gives me some enlightenment. i dont really smoke it to go nutz and party and whatnot. i like to smoke alone and it helps me to figure out problems and issues of everyday life. it also helps me to relax quite a bit. as for working out and training, it helps me there too. marijuana helps my muscles relax and helps alot with the soreness i feel. also marijuana enables me to think about concepts and techniques from different perspectives, and has helped me alot in understanding martial arts. i know that smoking it can be bad for ur lungs, and decrease ur endurance, but i use a vaporizer now, so i only inhale a light mist but still get all the benefits of smoking it. i know alot of people will have some negative things to say, but marijuana has helped me very much in life, and in martial arts. what are your thoughts ?

[Hikage]

hey do any of u people who train hard use marijuana? personally i i do enjoy smoking marijuana sometimes. i know alot of people may look down on me for it, but honestly i do get alot out of it. when i smoke marijuana it alllowes me to reflect apon things from different perspectives. it opens me up to different ideas and concepts, and gives me some enlightenment. i dont really smoke it to go nutz and party and whatnot. i like to smoke alone and it helps me to figure out problems and issues of everyday life. it also helps me to relax quite a bit. as for working out and training, it helps me there too. marijuana helps my muscles relax and helps alot with the soreness i feel. also marijuana enables me to think about concepts and techniques from different perspectives, and has helped me alot in understanding martial arts. i know that smoking it can be bad for ur lungs, and decrease ur endurance, but i use a vaporizer now, so i only inhale a light mist but still get all the benefits of smoking it. i know alot of people will have some negative things to say, but marijuana has helped me very much in life, and in martial arts. what are your thoughts ?

Ok, let me start out by saying that smoking mj is something that I have never done nor ever will. That being said, I want to address your views from a point of view that represents a slightly more liberal outlook on the situation than I believe...

First of all, you stated that it helps in your training by relaxing yoru muscles, etc. Do you mean you smoke before you train with other people? If so, you are seriously dangering the lives of those with whom you train. It's illegal to smoke and drive for a reason.

Furthermore, I read your post to my wife, who knows almost nothing about the arts. Her response to you is "aren't you supposed to be training for real situations, not those enhanced by mind altering substances?"

But let's assume that you don't smoke and train at the same time.
I do not want to attack your rationale for using it.

Just one question at this time. How often are we talking about using it?

-Hikage

[Tom Yum]

The very nature of this forum is to discuss, criticize, and advise.

You forgot 'poke fun of'.

[EmptyneSs]

i never smoke before i train. i smoke at the end of the night after all my training and working out is done. usually at this time im just sitting in my room messing around on my comp.

[Tee Sok]

Hi there. I used to smoke a lot before I got into MA, and once I started training I smoked less and less, until I quit. The fact is I didn't actually
decide to quit, it came naturally. I felt I didn't want marijuana anymore and I found myself "addicted" to training, to running and trying to perform my techniques in a good way. After a training session I feel really good and relaxed and i can't wait to start it over again the next day! It is true that marijuana can make you see and think about things from a different point of view, but I understood that this doesn't really come from smoking grass, it comes from yourself. When I used to smoke I could see that a very few friends of mine could appreciate the effects in a positive way, the others just acted funny. It is true that it can relax your body and mind, Bruce Lee used to eat some marijuana in the last period of his life because he was too stressed and nervous. I agree with Handtohand, you can reach relaxation by breathing slowly and concentrating, or you could do some qi gong if that suits you. But I guess that it's ok if you smoke just a little before you go to sleep , as long as it doesn't influence your training negatively or make you feel bad....

[Hikage]

hey do any of u people who train hard use marijuana? personally i i do enjoy smoking marijuana sometimes. i know alot of people may look down on me for it, but honestly i do get alot out of it. when i smoke marijuana it alllowes me to reflect apon things from different perspectives. it opens me up to different ideas and concepts, and gives me some enlightenment... also marijuana enables me to think about concepts and techniques from different perspectives, and has helped me alot in understanding martial arts. i know that smoking

How is this possible? Tell me, what exactly have you learned while being high? What knowledge have you gleaned, what insight have you made? How could someone who's represented themselves as you have really understand what to look for in the "higher arts"? In order to gain understanding you must first have your basics together, and by the way you speak, I don't imagine that is possible. So I must ask, what exactly are you learning?

i dont really smoke it to go nutz and party and whatnot... it can be bad for ur lungs, and decrease ur endurance, but i use a vaporizer now, so i only inhale a light mist but still get all the benefits of smoking it.

Doesn't matter, brain cells are dying. How can you gain insight when your brain capacity is shrinking?

i like to smoke alone and it helps me to figure out problems and issues of everyday life.

Get a good training partner and bounce your ideas off of him or her. Meditate. Your thought patterns progress through meditation and your sanity is held accountable through a partner.

it also helps me to relax quite a bit. as for working out and training, it helps me there too. marijuana helps my muscles relax and helps alot with the soreness i feel.

Umm... the idea of martial arts to learn the discipline behind healing yourself through proper diet and maintenance of your body as well as managing the pain we all experience as a result of proper training. You are losing out on so much and won't get far.

... but marijuana has helped me very much in life, and in martial arts.

Again... how? and be specific.

-Hikage

[EmptyneSs]

eh , if u dont realyl smoke i guess u wont know what im talkin about. i guess will just see me as a stupid pothead, but w/e

[Hikage]

eh , if u dont realyl smoke i guess u wont know what im talkin about. i guess will just see me as a stupid pothead, but w/e

Nope, not going to work. Explain yourself.

-Hikage

[EmptyneSs]

actually marijuana doesnt kill brain cells.

http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/2/myths.html

what acredited college did u get ur science degree from? pot doesnt kill brain cells, alcohal however does,but alcohal is legal and if i was to post here saying i like to drink sometimes i doubt it would be looked down apon as much as marijuana. tobacco is way way worse than marijuana and thats a fact. nobody has ever od'd on marijuana, its physically impossible. reasearch has shown that in order to od on marijuana u would have to be smoking the equivilant of 40 thousand joints at once. most people are very misinformed about pot and what it does and doesnt do.


i really dont even want to reply to people who have never smoked marijuana be cause they really havent a clue as to what im talking about. they just have the same old misconceptions and steryotypes. marijuana has been around forever and has been used for ages by people all over the world, and never has anyone really found anything wrong with it. in fact marijuana used to be legal in the united states in the early 1900's. u could buy like a bushel of it str8 from the government, they just made u pay a very small tax on.then bud got a bad rap cause some nutty ass conservative made a movie called Reefer Madness that portrayed people smoking weed and then going insane and killing eachother. we know that bud does not do this to poeple. also there were 2 differnt government reports that came out about how bud had so many benefits and very little negative effects, but both presidents that had asked for this research were people like Hikage who had no idea what marijuana even was and never let these reports come out. doesnt. yeah it may do some damage to ur lungs, but its nowere u can find all this info online easily. alcohal causes peoplet go ape shit, but bud doesnt do that. Bud isnt anywere near as bad as tobacco and thats legal. u can also lessen the dmg to ur lungs by how u smoke. if u use a vaporizer, all u inhale is a light thin mist and ur high is clean and healthy since u arent inhaling any burning fumes. its just str8 thc that rises from the bud when its heated up.

as for me disciplining myself and being healthy, i workout and train extremely hard, more so than alot of people. im in great shape and have great cardio endurance and i eat very healthy. just because i smoke pot doesnt mean i cant do any of these things.


as for all the ways it helped me

when im high my thoughts flow alot easier. i can figure shit out and understand stuff better.

im an artist, and sometimes when im drawing i have trouble putting my ideas and thoughts to paper, but when im high i can draw and flow beautifuly and easily.

same with writing essays. i used to write great essays for school because my thoughts would flow so easily when i was high.

i used it stimulated my appetite and helped me gain in wight lifting. i used to have a weak appetite and gaining weiight was impossible. since i would get the munchies after i smoked, i could eat more food than usual and was able to gain weight better.

i used to be a bitter and angry kid, but smoking marijuana made me really laid back and calm, and opened me up to new things.

as for martial arts, it did help me there too. since my ideas and thoughts are able to flow more freely when im high, it helps me to understand concepts and ideas in martial arts better. for example i was able to understand some throwing concepts in judo on certain techniques better when i was high or i was able to think of a really cool way to transition one move to another. since my mind is thinking differently from normal, the things i think about are seen in different perspectives than u normall see them. ur mind is more open to things.


anyway bud isnt for everyone, but i know for a fact that it can benefit people. if u havent really used marijuana before then u really dont know what im talking about and will continue to think that i fund terrorrism since i smoke weed, and that im a bad person but w/e

[EmptyneSs]

dont even bother replying to the rest of my post if ur going to keep missing the points i make or totally ignore them. surely u knew that i wasnt reffering to tobacco od'ing people. i mean, if im replying to clarify shit like this, really dont bother replying back. this thread was realy for those who do use marijuana not those who have never used it and dont know anything about it cept for the lies our government feeds us about it. just cause u buy into it doesnt mean everyone else should.

[EmptyneSs]

awesome, another post with nothing relivant to say.

i come on here and type shit fast, i dont come here to write A+ papers. i was just listing off some info about marijuana, its not my fault u couldnt figure that out, but im the one with literacy problems i guess.

plus, u seem to be exactly the kinda person who likes to drag others down. u cant seem to accept that i actually use marijuana responsibly, have my shit together and have benefited from it. instead u talk down to me and try to blaim shit like my informal writing on me smoking bud. u really seem to be trying to drag me down.

also i did mention more than once that its best for people who actually do use marijuana to replay to me instead of those who dont. i mean, if u have never even tried it, how the **** would u even have the slightest clue as to waht im talking about? yet u come here and tell me bullshit like im to stupid or too stoned to write well. u dont know me. i go to school fulltime and do well in my classes, hold a job, and workout and train hard, yet im just a stupid pothead right? its possible for people to smoke bud and have there shit together. u dont even seem to want to see the other side of anything, and u disregard and ignore all the relivant points i make. but thats ok. stick to ur misconceptions and dont open urself to any other ideas cept for the ones that have been rooted in ur head. u must be the same kinda person who thinks the iraq war " was for the iraqi people". " freedom and liberty are at stake". uh yeah, buy into whatever bullshit anyone feeds u and dont bother to ask questions or to see the other side.

oh, and alcohal is way worse than smoking bud. that actualyl is a sceintific fact. it kills brain cells, while marijuana doesnt. alcohal is also bad for ur stomach and ur liver. marijuana is only bad for ur lungs, but not that much. marijuana does effect the short term memory, but thats in cases of heavy users. also alcohal can cause people to get rowdy and violent, but marijuana makes people docile and laid back.with alcohal u have people puking there guts up and getting alcohal poisoning all the time. with marijuana u take a couple puffs and watch a movie and eat some cookies and then fall asleep.

thousands of peopel die yearly from alcohal and tobacco, yet there has never been a single reported death from marijuana. but hey, i guess im just a stupid pothead,and nothing more since i like to toke up ocassionaly. what do i know.

[EmptyneSs]

i guess u didnt even look at the link i posted earlier. http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/2/myths.html
u say pot is seven times stronger than waht it was before, but if u look at that link u will see that research has proven this isnt true. every point u have tried to make has been a meaningless misconception while i back mine up with vaild info that has come from sceintific research. yet u call me stupid. man **** u, ur jsut a douchebag who cant over urself and wants to drag others down. im really just gonna consider anything u post to be irrelivant because for the most part it is.

and yeah u were right about ameican farmers using hemp plants, but since u dont know anything about marijuana u would know that its the male plants that u cant get high off, and those were the ones used for rope, paper, clothes etc. the female plants are the ones that have all the thc buds in them, those were the ones used for smoking.

dude, seriously dont bother posting if all ur info is bs and u havent the slightest clue as to what u are replying to. i need to not bother posting either since evrytime i correct ur bullshit info with scientific info, u just ignore and disregard it and attempt to make some kinda lame ass comparison to something that has nothing to do with what were talkin about, like OJ getting away with murder. yeah that has alot to do with pot and alcohal. ur jsut a douchebag who wants to bring others down, yet u project this on others and say they are the ones trying to bring people down. ur really just a misinformed asshole with nothing to say.

[EmptyneSs]

i never ever tried to get others to do pot. all i said was that it benefited me as an individual.

im not trying to prove i have my shit together, i just said i do since ur so convinced that i dont even though u dont know me, which seems to me like ur trying to DRAG ME DOWN.

the smoke of mj may be more toxic, but u can smoke it water pipes or vaporizers which greatly decrease its toxicity. with the vaporizer u dont even inhale smoke, so its nowere near as bad as tobacco.

u dont make any counterpoints. u just keep stating false info and i have to keep correcting it for u, and even then u dont understand. all ur statements are fallacies and attempts at putting me down(DRAGGING ME DOWN).

whats funnier is how u speak as if u actually know me or anything about me. u seem to think u know all about me from just a few posts ive made. and ur so convinced im a bad person, when im really not. u just have need to get over urself and ur high horse. wtf makes u so much better ?

but hey to each his own.

[TONGPO]

well don'tknow about facts or punctuation and spelling but Hand2hand has gotta win on smugness and superiority and actually wipes the floor in talking down to people he desnt agree with

And here's a few thoughst for him......you keep citing this one guy who got 'dumber and dumber' ....any idea how widespread pot is? And you can only cite one guy, who was thick anyway.

You're talking about something you've only read about or observed....hardly makes you the oracle on it does it?

Emptiness's grammar and posting may have been bad anyway...not necessarily the dope.



Try to listen to what's been said rather than just formulating your replies and you might learn summat. Or not. But an open mind is never a bad thing.


I smoke shit loads of dope. Heaps of it. Have done for years. Funnily enough I'm in the process of packin it in. I can see it's doing my memory loads of damage, I cant pack in cigarettes when Im smokin pot, and I really struggle to wake up in the morning. I sometimes struggle to find the words i'm lookin for. Dont think its killin braincells though, just think its a long term 'stonedness'

But I would say that thats cos I was/am excessive in my useage, and virtuallyanythng in moderation isnt bad for you

[disclaimer] if you find any bad spelling, errant grammar or semi-illiterate ramblings in here, please feel free not to tell me, cos I really dont give a toss. [#]

[Hikage]

actually marijuana doesnt kill brain cells.

http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/2/myths.html

what acredited college did u get ur science degree from?

I want to apologize that I've been out of this discussion since it started. I've other things to do. H2H you're doing great. Thanks for holdin' the fort while I was gone. I must admit that I find it hilarious that you are fixing his spelling. That should really tell him something.

Emptyness, it's kinda funny. I wonder which accredited college you got YOUR information from. YOUR website is nothing more than a student paper with NO published sources, other than name-dropping. Nor do I, or does any self-respecting researcher, accept the words of a political organization, http://www.norml.org as gospel which this yellow-journalistic thistle (which appropriately is a form of a weed, wonder about their motives).

So I said, ok, let me find the truth. So I typed into google, "harmful effects of marijuana." If all these things are myths, guess how many results I found? I don't know either, it went off of 10 pages. Here are the results from just the first page I found and note the words I bolded which DIRECTLY go against what you've said are myths and things that you've said MJ helps you to go, yet this says impossible. Intersting the number of facts I find about how bad MJ is. No wonder I am mislead and think it's terrible for my health and yours.

The harmful effects of marijuana on the Brain and Central Nervous System
Impaired thinking, mood, memory, and coordination
Marijuana (THC) is an extremely powerful and pleasurable intoxicant. It affects, alters, and damages brain cells controlling thinking, emotion, pleasure, coordination, mood and memory. The pituitary gland is also damaged which regulates hunger, thirst, blood pressure, sexual behavior, and release of sex hormones.
Clogged synapses, brain damage and addiction
Marijuana accumulates in the microscopic spaces between nerve cells in the brain called "synapses." This clogging interferes by slowing and impairing transfer critical information.
Long term use causes the brain to stop production of brain chemicals necessary to "feel good" - a negative feedback condition. And, the user becomes chemically addicted to marijuana. The harmful effects of marijuana on the Heart
Speeds up heartbeat as much as 50%, increases blood pressure, and poses great risk to those with hypertension and heart disease.
The harmful effects of marijuana on the Endocrine System
Marijuana damages the network of glands, organs, and hormones involved in growth and development, energy levels, and reproduction.
Organs and glands affected:
pituitary gland
thyroid gland
stomach
duodenum
pancreas
adrenal glands
testis
The harmful effects of marijuana on the Reproductive System males and females
Marijuana use can decrease and degenerate sperm, sperm count, movement, and cause lowered sex drive. Females can have egg damage, suppression of ovulation, disrupt menstrual cycles, and alteration of hormone levels.
Regular use during pregnancy can lower birth weight and cause abnormalities similar to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (small head, irritability, poor growth and development.
Can destroy the number of chromosomes, resulting in cell abnormalities and impaired function.
Other affects on the central nervous system
distortions of perceptions, thinking and reality
Difficulty in forming concepts and thoughts
Poor concentration
Mental confusion
Loss of motivation
Wide mood swings
Aggression and hostility
Depression, anxiety and paranoia
The harmful effects of marijuana on the Eyes
Sleep looking, blood-shot eyes with dilated pupils.
The harmful effects of marijuana on the Throat
Irritates membranes of the esophagus; increases chance of developing cancer of larynx and esophagus.
The harmful effects of marijuana on the Lungs
Significant damage and destruction of the air sacs of the lungs, reducing the lungs ability to bring oxygen and remove carbon dioxide - Emphysema.
Causes bronchial tubes to be inflamed, thickened and to produce more mucus; resulting in narrowing of the air passages - Chronic Bronchitis.
Marijuana smoke has twice as much "tar" as cigarette smoke and significantly increases chance of lung cancer, inflammation and infection.

You're a full-time student. You're currently learning how to interpret data and to use that data to make insightful decisions. What are your professors teaching you?

-Hikage