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  • #16
    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    … alcohal is legal and if i was to post here saying i like to drink sometimes i doubt it would be looked down apon as much as marijuana. tobacco is way way worse than marijuana and thats a fact. nobody has ever od'd on marijuana, its physically impossible. reasearch has shown that in order to od on marijuana u would have to be smoking the equivilant of 40 thousand joints at once. most people are very misinformed about pot and what it does and doesnt do.
    Umm… I believe the title of this was “marijuana” not tobacco or alcohol. <-- Yes, that’s how you spell it.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    in fact marijuana used to be legal in the united states in the early 1900's.

    So was cocaine.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    also there were 2 differnt government reports that came out about how bud had so many benefits and very little negative effects, but both presidents that had asked for this research were people like Hikage who had no idea what marijuana even was and never let these reports come out.

    Ok, where are these reports. If you know about them, then they must be somewhere. Or are they just fiction that some politician thought up. Which presidents denied them?

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    yeah it may do some damage to ur lungs, but its nowere u can find all this info online easily.

    I refer you to my previous post. It was pretty easy.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    u can also lessen the dmg to ur lungs by how u smoke. if u use a vaporizer, all u inhale is a light thin mist and ur high is clean and healthy since u arent inhaling any burning fumes. its just str8 thc that rises from the bud when its heated up.

    I’m not so much worried about the lungs as I am your brain. People like you drive around and end up hurting someone because the mental state of your brain tells you that you’re fine, but in reality your useless. I refer you to

    Originally posted by http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html
    Marijuana Impairs Driving-Related Skills and Workplace Performance

    By Robert Mathias, NIDA NOTES Staff Writer

    Marijuana use impairs driving-related functions and is linked to a pattern of behaviors that leads to poor job performance, according to two NIDA-supported studies on the effects of marijuana on human performance. Findings from the studies were presented at NIDA's first National Conference on Marijuana Use.
    I urge you to read the remainder of the transcript.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    as for me disciplining myself and being healthy, i workout and train extremely hard, more so than alot of people. im in great shape and have great cardio endurance and i eat very healthy. just because i smoke pot doesnt mean i cant do any of these things.

    How does MJ help you here? This isn’t about what you can already do, I asked you about what you say MJ can help you to do. I bet you can tie your shoes too w/o gettin’ high.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    as for all the ways it helped me

    when im high my thoughts flow alot easier. i can figure shit out and understand stuff better.

    Like what? This is filler material. I’m not stupid. I’ll ignore that this last sentence is here and I’ll read on until where you repeat yourself and actually expound on this filler sentence here.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    im an artist, and sometimes when im drawing i have trouble putting my ideas and thoughts to paper, but when im high i can draw and flow beautifuly and easily.

    Are you drawing or is the THC drawing?

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    same with writing essays. i used to write great essays for school because my thoughts would flow so easily when i was high.

    Why did you stop? And again, what was actually writing? It’s important to give credit where credit is due.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    i used it stimulated my appetite and helped me gain in wight lifting. i used to have a weak appetite and gaining weiight was impossible. since i would get the munchies after i smoked, i could eat more food than usual and was able to gain weight better.

    Ever hear of creatine? There are far better ways than by eating junk food to gain weight. You said that you train hard and exercise. That’s good. You should be taking care of yourself in these ways. So take care of yourself by eating well as well.

    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    i used to be a bitter and angry kid, but smoking marijuana made me really laid back and calm, and opened me up to new things.

    Note to my previous post:
    “Wide mood swings
    Aggression and hostility
    Depression, anxiety and paranoia”


    Originally posted by EmptyneSs
    as for martial arts, it did help me there too. since my ideas and thoughts are able to flow more freely when im high, it helps me to understand concepts and ideas in martial arts better. for example i was able to understand some throwing concepts in judo on certain techniques better when i was high or i was able to think of a really cool way to transition one move to another.

    You know that if you were practicing instead of smoking you would have come to those same conclusions. Your “understandings” are really rather basic. It would have not taken you long to reach the same conclusion. Good possibility that MJ actually slowed you down.

    Bottom line: train more, smoke less. Then see how you feel.

    -Hikage

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    • #17
      dude i dont even smoke that much. hikage most of the problems u listed are from very heavy chronic use.those problems are as a result of smoking the equivilant of 4-5 joints everyday for months mabye years on end, not occasional use. anything u take into ur body to that high of a degree will create porblems, however doing it every now and then wont.

      then theres hand to hand who obviously just hates anyone who smokes pot and likes to judge them for it when he doesnt even know them. u say u have seen people fall apart cause of marijuana. yeah well that doesnt include everyone. ive seen people who use marijuna score high grades, get awesome scores on tests, get accepted to good colleges, and continue to do well in their lives. just cause u someone who couldnt keep their shit together doesnt mean everyone else is like that. just cause someone likes to smoke pot doenst mean they are bad people.

      plus i never said i get high and drive around and go to work or train when im high. sure if u had actually read my 1st post instead of letting ur false assumpstions get in the way u would have heard the part were i mentioned when i do get high, i only do it at the end of the night when im sitting in my room, and after i go to sleep so dont say i like to drive around and cause accidents cause im high, thats just more of ur bullshit.

      when i got the munchies i wouldnt binge on junk food like u once again falsly assume. i ate good things, just alot more of them. before i had a weak appetite. pot stimulates ur appetite.

      i dont smoke instead of practice u jackoff. more of ur bullshit false assumptions.

      u and hand to hand like to assume shit about people and judge them when u dont know anything about them, and u dont even properly read any of the posts, u just assume shit that usually isnt true and go with it and decide to stick to ur whack ass snap judgements and false assumptions. theres now 2 pages of ur bullshit and all u really trying to do now is talk down to me and put me down now, but hey i guess it makes u feel better about urselves.

      the funny thing is u guys havent even smoked pot so u dont know what u are talking about, yet u talk like u do and make all ur bs assumptions.

      im down to have legit argumnets and talk things out, but im not really down with having people talk down to me, try to put em down, judge me, and make constant false assumptions about me and what i do.

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      • #18
        by the way hikage if u didnt like my previous site heres more, but they all say the same.

        ur website was very biased and most of those many that u listed never even occur unless ur smoking a rediculous ammount of pot every single day.




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        • #19
          QUOTE FROM H2H
          'I am aware that mj usage is widespread and not restricted to just 1 person. I've seen people's grades fall apart because of it though, and while that isn't a direct corelation to one's intelligence their education does help develop it.'

          Never seen anyones grades fall aprt cos they got into drinking? Or sports? Or women? Or just anyway?



          QUOTE FROM H2H
          'Oh, so in order to know that something isn't good for you you've got to try it?'
          No, but cut and pasting articles that support your view (bearin in mind for every one you find that agrees, I could find one that disagrees) doesnt really give ya the right to act so pompus y'know? Kinda like if you've watched a few UFC's, seen a few of Gracie's videos and making out like you know everything there is to know about fighting. You cann read all ya like, but ya gotta do it to understand it.

          QUOTE FROM H2H
          'So are you saying that Pot smoking is indicative of dumb people?'

          trust you're jokin there. No obvioulsy not, neither indicative of dumb or bright people. I could write this in perfect english, perfect grammar (we all got 'Word' eh?) or I can just bash it out like this while on the phone at work...the quality of syntax in my posts is nowt to do with intelliegence, education or pot.



          QUOTE FROM H2H
          'Ah, but being open minded and weak minded are two different things.'

          For sure, but you sayin its weakminded to smoke pot, or pot makes you weak minded? Don't think its weak mined to try new things pal, don't have to keep doing it. Cos this is a MMA forum, I'll liken it to this...if we didn't try new things, didn't experiment, didn't retain an open mind, we'd still be spending 45 hours in deep horse stance and living in monastaries if we wanted MA's - MMA would never have developed. Pot can make you weka minded, I stress 'can', but so can boxing, why not go to that forum and act all smug?



          QUOTE FROM H2H
          'Sounds fun.'

          Not really, but I have really abuseed it for years. Know lots of folk who arent like that. I am realistic enough to see that its no longer for me, so Im stoppin it

          QUOTE FROM H2H
          'Yes even good things in excessive quantities can cause problems, in fact there are three ways that water can kill you.
          1. Drowning
          2. Excess swelling of the brain
          3. Steady depletion of body salts

          But there are many things in small quantities that are bad for you also.'



          Man, honestly, if I didn't know you were pushing buttons the ridiculesness of your arguements would bug me.
          So you shoul stop driving your car? (could crash, polluting the air and thus your lungs) walkin in towns? (all those other cars pumping out brain damaging carcinigens) probaly stop training ?(ligament damage, possible broke bones, possible death even) and on and on.
          Most things can be bad for you, but in moderation, its rare things are.
          Its up to us to make a decision where to draw the line, obvioulsy you draw it in a different place than me and emptiness. He started this thread saying he doesnt like talkin about this as people jump on him for being a stoner who doesn't have a clue (or summat like that) and you just did the exact thing.
          I'm sure you have many valid points, but if you wanna actually make em, rather than leaning back at ya PC and thinking how great you are, try being less snotty.

          QUOTE FROM H2H
          'Oh yes btw there were some grammatical errors in your post.'


          see earlier comments

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          • #20
            Darn not 1 reply from a dutch person until now

            I too use it on a regular basis, namely 3 times every night ( though not stacked with it, 4grams last me more than a week)
            I do so to relax, if I don't I don't get any sleep, I only do so in the evening and only after training
            It does invluence me in the daytime though....I'm more relaxed than without it, if I stop, I become this nervous person that anoys( sp?) the hell out of his coworkers

            Actually when people meat me when I have been of for a couple of days, they quickly agree it is better for me to keep using it

            As for shorttermmemory being influenced, when under the influence I can come up with stuff and the next day it is still there, most of the times things I wouldn't have thought of without the MJ.
            At 42 I still learn stuff very easy and beat younger coworkers when it comes to that

            Would I advice it, no I wouldn't, nor would I do that with tabacco and alcohol
            Or Steroids for that matter


            BTW it wasn't made illegal to protect people against it, heck it wasn't even researched before it was made illicit
            The main reason for making it illegal was economic, the former slaves would work a couple of days, just enough to earns some money for food and pot, then you wouldn't see them for days and no work would be done
            Thus prohibitting it would solve that

            When it comes to drugs, the most morronic things are done in the states
            Like getting new blood to filter out the cocaine, cocaine will be out of your blood within 3 day anyway so what's the use?


            Hypocritical is it when people think it is worse for a sporter to smoke an occasional joint than to daily drink 4 or 5 glasses of strong liquor (which can lead to "weinecke korsakov syndrom" or other serious problems)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hikage
              I’m not so much worried about the lungs as I am your brain. People like you drive around and end up hurting someone because the mental state of your brain tells you that you’re fine, but in reality your useless.
              -Hikage
              Did anyone saw that 5th Gear eposide where they tested how pot affected your driving? They put up different driving tests (slalom, braking, parking...) and tested a guy before and after he smoked pot. Well, he did better after smoking than before . The guy felt he was slower when in fact he was faster and more "accurate" in his driving! Wouldn't pot do the same thing with martial arts?

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              • #22
                i actually watched a scientific study they did in a sociology class i had. they had 3 groups. first group had 3 alcoholic drinks of their choice. 2nd group had 1 joint. 3rd group had drinks that had nothing in them, but they were told they did contain something, they were the placebo group. then they made all 3 groups drive a car around a closed course to see who would drive better. the funny thing is the people who smoked 1 joint were the ones who drove best, even better than the placebo group that was completely sober. the people who had 3 alcohalic drinks did worse.

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                • #23
                  But do you have to be an expect in high kicking to know not to do it in a real fight?

                  But hey look at this from the “alternative perspective”, maybe I'm just better than everybody just like John F**kin Kerry, so I've got all the right in the world to be a pompous ass.
                  Thats a possibility I had not previoulsy considered.

                  No, your first assumption was correct I was joking.
                  oh in that case lol lol lmao (that was 'sarcaism ' too)

                  To try something that's potentially harmful and addictive for no reason other than people are telling you to do it is weak minded. I understand extenuating circumstances but to cave in into "peer pressure" alone is week.

                  Boxing has a useful application; fighting, what's the useful application with mj? Last time I checked I wasn't aware that boxing was addictive.

                  You're right to a point about trying new things, but do you want to try running across the highway just to try it?
                  The useful application of mj? Well there's millions of people who use it for socialising and relaxation, having a laugh, appreciating music better.... and I would also say there's probably millions of people who would say these pasttimes are more useful than fighting.

                  Endoprphins are addictive, boxing is excercise, excrcise releases endorphins. Why do so many old boxers keep gettin back in the ring...can't just be money can it?

                  Maybe not run across a highway, but bungee jumping, motorbike racing, white water rafting, caving all these sort of things give you no benefit apart from a 'buzz' - sound familiar? Few risks to your health there too. . . . . .

                  The sounds fun comment was sarcasm. I do seriously wish you success in kicking mj though.
                  that the same as 'sarcaism' - I know mate, so was my reply Thanks, already half wayt there. No big deal really, just a few sleepness nights.

                  I didn't “jump on him” and attack him as a stoner who didn't have a clue, I attacked his reasoning. He’s the one who was responsible for directing the conversation back towards himself.

                  Oh yeah cars have pollution control devises which significantly reduce the amount of exotic

                  Hundreds of things in tiny quantities are bad for you, that’s why your water is tested and measured in ppm and ppb (Parts per million/billion)
                  You attacked his reasoning, without seeming to give it a chance, just batterin away with your opinion. But it's a forum I suppose
                  Reduce 'exotic' ????? put the joint down man, you've ceased to make sense
                  But hundreds of things, not matter how tiny, aren't in moderation are they?




                  and on a final note, which you may find helpful, when raggin on people for bad spelling and such, its better if your signature is all spelt properly. You know, so it makes sense.



                  Oh and sarcaism

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                  • #24
                    Newsflash

                    The Israelli Army is planning to use Cannabis for stressed out soldiers that served in the occupied areas



                    As for usefull purposes:
                    Terminaly Ill people get it too but just for the pain
                    For some specific illnesses it is used too ( e.g. something with the wrong eyepressure)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by HandtoHand
                      Great, now can you link me to this story from a mainstream news source or www.idf.il or other associated sites.
                      It was on a Dutch newspapersite http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1...litairen_.html
                      The newspaper is normal newspaper they got it from the Maariv Newspaper, but it is not on the international site, it might be from the hardcopy edition

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by HandtoHand
                        How can you possibly drive better stoned than sober? I can believe that he felt as though he was going slow despite the fact that he was going fast, but wouldn't that also mean that he'd react slower to somebody slamming the brakes in front of him?
                        That was exactly one of the tests they had. Another car was on the road in front and slammed the brakes to see how a normal person would react vs the same persone after smoking pot. The guy did better after smoking than before. enough said...

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                        • #27
                          Every drug is harmful, primarily with excessive usage. Alchohol, wich is legal in most countries is defenatly not one of the least harmful drugs; it can cause severe physical and mental addiction, damage the liver, cause braindamage etc. Still, like Emptyness said, if he had come here stating he had a drink once in a while no one would have attacked him in this way.

                          Personally, I do enjoy smoking marijuana once in a while, just the same as other people may enjoy drinking a nice wiskey or cognac. I woun't go as far as to say that it enlightens me in some obscure way, rather it is only a means of recreation. I don't like the effect of alcohol, since it stimulates me, makes me talk alot etc, things I don't really need any more of Marijuana has other qualities in that it is relaxing. I know it is not harmless, but there are alot of things in life that is not.

                          Like everything in life I belive that MJ should be enjoyed with reason, not smoked daily. But if handled with care I don't belive the risks are that great.

                          Alot of this discussion has been centered around whether MJ makes you stupid or not. Maybe I would be smarter if I never smoked, I don't know. I do know however that I am smart enough to get through life. I have smoked occacionally for about 13 years, all through university, and I do hold a Masters degree and am working on my doctoral thesis at the present. This is not stated to brag, only to show that you can engage in intelectual activity even while using MJ. I also keep a strict workout dicipline and my physicue (spelling?) is very good.

                          All sources that is accesible about the hazards are biased IMO. The ones stating that it is basicly harmless always come from sites/organizations that are positive to smoking, while the ones stating the opposite always come from organizations affiliated with goverments or anti drug groups. Thus I won't post any references, since the validation of them is very difficult. So basicly this entire post is about my experiences and oppinions on the matter.

                          Oh, and before anyone goes about making the assumption that I am stupid because my spelling or grammar is off in some cases, note that English is not my first language.

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                          • #28
                            ..your second language Bewing? You write it better than me, and I'm English. You make a very good point, if I only had smoked like I drink (2,3 times a week not to excess that often) I wouldn't be giving up now.

                            I suppose a more accurate description of our “previoulsy” mentioned comments would be sardonic.
                            What? you expect me to run this thru Word or summat

                            Knowing how to fight can keep you out of the hospital, out of in a casket, which is alot more pratical than "appreciating music", or “socialising”.
                            Weak, man, weak. I expected more offa a genius like you. Many people (believe it or not) manage to get thru life without gettin put in hospital, and believe it or not, they don't all box. What I meant tho, and Im sureyou were ignoring it, was that to the vast majority of the population would see socialising etc to be much more important than fighting.

                            I guess they might like the rush and miss it. But if they fail to get back in the ring to the suffer withdrawal symptoms?
                            Like the rush and miss it....there are very few physical withdrawal symptoms from pot, few sweaty sleepness nights, some people don't even get that. So you could compare the 2, kinda, say if ya were arguing a point in a forum or summat

                            I do (real) rock climbing and rappelling and there is defiantly a rush there, which I do like, although it seams after the severe rush it leaves you tired and exhausted. I'd like to do white water rafting and caving though along with mining (not mining but exploring mines).
                            You see my point there i think though? Risk to your health and nothing in exchange for it but a few extra chemicals making you feel good.

                            Its understandable to have a few typo's and spelling errors. The reason I berated EmptyneSs about it is because his use of the English language bordered illiteracy.
                            Yeah, maybe so...You've obviously had a pretty decent education, not everyone has, I could understand him,

                            What do you want tears?
                            Maybe a dew-like moistening of the eyes as you gaze forlornly out of your window, pondering how things might have been?

                            What'd you do, run everything I wrote through Microsoft Word?

                            BTW: What do you think of my signature.
                            lol no,I'm just anal ......I've always liked the Patton one, the USMC one I always thought a little, I don't know. How can I put it? like they asked some 15 y/old school kids to think of a motto for the marines. No disresepct to the USMC...fine fighting Corps with a great tradition and history

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bewing77
                              Alot of this discussion has been centered around whether MJ makes you stupid or not. Maybe I would be smarter if I never smoked, I don't know. I do know however that I am smart enough to get through life. I have smoked occacionally for about 13 years, all through university, and I do hold a Masters degree and am working on my doctoral thesis at the present. This is not stated to brag, only to show that you can engage in intelectual activity even while using MJ. I also keep a strict workout dicipline and my physicue (spelling?) is very good.
                              Exactly! I work in genetics research and smoke once in a while... i'm not brain-dead cause of it!

                              Originally posted by bewing77
                              Oh, and before anyone goes about making the assumption that I am stupid because my spelling or grammar is off in some cases, note that English is not my first language.
                              Same here... i'm french canadian

                              Back to the first question. Can smoking MJ help with martial arts. Well, when I smoke with one of my friend we always watch fights or instructional videos about martial arts. Sometimes we see the techniques in a different angle cause of MJ. It sometimes makes it easier to visualise the technique cause your mind is more open. But I woundn't smoke right before training.

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                              • #30
                                haha look at the 1st word of ur last post hth. Hear? surely u meant Here. i thought ur spelling was so perfect.

                                its funny that hth uses word to fix his spelling mistakes. its not like he is smart and writes perfectly like he makes it seem, he has a computer program correct his shit so he can pick on those who dont use it. its not like ur spelling and shit is perfect, u just use a program to fix it cause u want to pick on those who dont really give a shit about seeming perfect and dont want to waste time using word. even with using word to fix ur shit u still have mistakes, and u still like to talk shit about others and talk down to em like u are better.u arent smart, ur just a dipshit with a narrow mind. u are really just an asshole with tons of misconceptions and false info.

                                also, its funny how u keep coming here and posting false facts while trying to seem like u are so much smarter than everyone else.

                                u say more people abuse pot than alcohal which isnt true at all. this shows how little u know.

                                heres another informative link for u hth, although i know u wont even bother looking at it since u think all ur false info is correct.



                                let me just post a few facts for u

                                In North America and other countries, alcohol is the number one drug used by teens. Its use is also the number one contributing factor in youthful deaths.

                                In the U.S., the use of alcohol is associated with at least one-half of all car crashes, suicides, drownings, crimes of violence, unplanned sex, poor school performance, and other trauma among youth.

                                Alcohol and tobacco kill more people annually than all other drugs combined. Alcohol alone is associated with at least one-fourth of all hospital visits in the United States.

                                Nicotine is one of the most addictive and harmful of all drugs.

                                There is a false perception that if a drug is legal it must cause less problems. In many countries and cultures, the use of alcohol and/or tobacco is so deeply woven into the cultural fabric of those countries that neither is acknowledged as a drug or even as a problem.

                                hth, do us a favor and dont talk about shit u know nothing about. u have obviously lived a sheltered life since u dont know jack shit about any of the problems of the society we live in. but hey continue thinking u are better than the rest, even though we know u arent.

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